can we have 2nd raise ability via item ?

[NoctisUmbra]

@ AdvancedWind

I was simply pointing out that the unforseen, ridiculous circumstance you pointed out is not one to plan for or chose classes over jobs for either. The fight glitching? Possibly facing a very unlucky sequence of events. If your solution to those is to plan in advance to go in with classes instead of jobs, then so bet it. I completely disagree that it is an effective solution though.

Sometimes people get unlucky. Jobs aren't meant to correct your luck. They're meant to make you more effective in a full party, but also more dependent on each other and teamwork.

No offense Noctris, but your inability to formulate strategy would preclude you from leading any party I take part in.

You don't know me. I don't know you. Your judgmental decision about me based on a lack of understanding and our difference in opinion over content neither of us have experienced first-hand as well as the implication that I care whether or not you would be in some hypothetical party that I lead is amusing at best.

The game allows you to switch from Class to Job and back again, to ignore the option of doing so, is to ignore a potential strategy. That's the only point I'm trying to make. If you think being on a class instead of being on a job automatically makes the party gimp, you're not looking at the whole picture.

I'm not ignoring our choice in the matter. I am stating that I cannot see a single instance in game right now where I wouldn't rather go with all jobs. I am further stating that being at most 4 raises short in a party of jobs is not something I consider worth switching to a class-based party strategy.

[Molly_Millions]

I'm not ignoring our choice in the matter. I am stating that I cannot see a single instance in game right now where I wouldn't rather go with all jobs. I am further stating that being at most 4 raises short in a party of jobs is not something I consider worth switching to a class-based party strategy.

If the problem in a particular party is not enough raises (nevermind the reasoning for that problem) you bet your ass I'll have somebody switch to a class. You seem to be dismissing that strategy out of hand.

[NoctisUmbra]

If the problem in a particular party is not enough raises (nevermind the reasoning for that problem) you bet your ass I'll have somebody switch to a class. You seem to be dismissing that strategy out of hand.

Tell me what content in this game provides a situation where the problem in the party is consistently a lack of enough raises, but not in any way due to a poor party strategy or poor player performance?

If you ever need more than 4-6 raises in a short period of time in a given party it's because:

- You're party is attempting new content, and still learning. S: Keep going and learn, don't switch to classes.
- You've got players performing horribly and throwing off the party balance. S: Kick players or switch to classes because a party of jobs is much more dependent on each player than a party of classes.
- You just had a very, very unlucky sequence of events and/or glitches. S: Switching to classes doesn't give you Luck+.

I'm not dismissing any strategy. I'm asserting that throwing more raises at a party isn't a strategy. I'm also asserting that not enough raises is not a problem, it is a result of a problem.

[Molly_Millions]

- You've got players performing horribly and throwing off the party balance. S: Kick players or switch to classes because a party of jobs is much more dependent on each player than a party of classes.

So if it's a Linkshell event, where kicking the player really isn't really an option? What then?

IMO, it's a perfectly viable option whether or not you want to admit it. You can give me a list of 10000 alternatives, but that doesn't change the fact that switching to a class is still a viable option.

[NoctisUmbra]

So if it's a Linkshell event, where kicking the player really isn't really an option? What then?

IMO, it's a perfectly viable option whether or not you want to admit it. You can give me a list of 10000 alternatives, but that doesn't change the fact that switching to a class is still a viable option.

Never said it's not an option.

I said it's not some super-effective strategy. Carrying LS members can quite easily be put into the training wheels category.

Problem with that is, getting used to a class-based strat will be counter-productive to learning how to execute the job-based strat. The job-based strat is bound to be the most effective strat. Why? That's the whole point of the Job system. If the most effective strategy for Full Party endgame content is not being done with every player on jobs, the job system is failing and needs to be rebalanced.

If it does end up being that the best way to clear content will involve using classes, I'll have my parties run with players on classes as well with the best of 'em. I will refuse to accept that it's intended though, because it undermines the whole point.