So this started happening.

[Zordrage]

It started today that i noticed that some Healers Leave from lvl70-80-90 dungeons either instantly when we get in or after the 1st or 2nd pull or after 1st boss if the Tank is a DRK.

saw it 4 times in the past 2-3 hours.

2 times i was the DRK both times they were struggling to heal me while they were pulling everything on me even with def CDs on lol

the other 2 times was when i was leveling my Reaper and it looked like the exact same thing was happening.

1st time im seeing this in this game after 400+ hours...

[Jehy]

Healers want something to do besides 111111. They finally get to heal and they leave instantly. Understandable

[Shurrikhan]

Healers want something to do besides 111111. They finally get to heal and they leave instantly. Understandable

To be fair, that may have less to do with it being a DRK than a, well, bad DRK. I've gotten through full pulls with my healer d/ced at the start off just Abyssal, TBNs, my miti CDs, and a couple of healing potions. There's none of Bloodwhetting's god mode, but it is doable. And yet I'll consistently run into DRKs who pop nothing after their first TBN... which they timed precisely for the WHM's Holy spam.

I'm thoroughly convinced Bloodwhetting is.....well....broken .

Well, yeah. Being able to full-heal oneself in trash pulls every GCD for 8 seconds acts as basically a Hollowed Ground on a 25-second CD.

It should just go back to being a percent of damage dealt, and likely for a lower duration. Then at least its ST contribution wouldn't feel so pathetic by comparison and it'd feel more fun to optimize. Given Raw Intuition's strength already, just adding on the self-shield (perhaps at slightly higher potency) would be fine, honestly.

[Legion88]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

[Hiragawa]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and remind you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

^ This. When healing, you either get a tank (like Legion said, of any class) that is so bloody sturdy all you're doing is spamming your aoe attack as a healer, or you get a tank (again, any class) that is cut in half by a soft breeze. There is no in between. You're either falling asleep while healing, or working overtime to keep people alive.

Buuuuuut I've also had a slew of "Holy crap, you're actually a good Sage." comments recently, so I'm gonna say it's not *just* on the tank side of things. I'd imagine that you're just getting healers that aren't the best and have been hearing that DRK can't solo the world like a Warrior can. So they see your health drop and panic out of the dungeon.

[ArthurATDayne]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

This. You've said what I was thinking nicely.

And I also haven't seen any healers jumping ship while on DRK.

[GarretStrongstaf]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

THIS ^^ Has been my experience the last week or two in Expert Roulette. I always gently suggest tips to newer tanks who insist on pulling big and all but disintegrate for not mitigating sustainably. Some get defensive or tell me that "I didn't heal them once," even though I am throwing my entire kit at them. None of the wall to wall pulls in the content we have now requires a GCD heal for a tank to survive if they are mitigating even semi-optimally. If a healer is spamming a GCD heal just to keep a tank from death, thats usually (but not always) a mitigation issue, which is on the tank, not the healer. This may sound harsh, but if a player doesn't enjoy to figuring out ways to take as little damage as possible, the tank role may not be for them <3

[ssunny2008]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

This is 100% a thing!

[ssunny2008]

Just played the Gulg as DRK with randoms 5 minutes ago. The healer was a new SGE on level 79 instead of 80.

A DPS left immediately... guess why? Because it´s a trashy Shadowbringer dungeon, not because i played DRK. I´ve pulled the hell out of this dungeon as i do with any tank ALWAYS! I did a full pull with all 5 packs to the first boss and i did the last pull with 4 pack before the endboss. My life never dropped below 25% and i never used my invul.
I´ve done the same stuff before in Shb mostly without any issues. I remember only 1 time dieing as PLD, which might have been a healer issue since i do the same shit over and over again.

DRK is as good as other tanks if not even superior in its own way thx to BLN. Ppl need to stop to judge about things they´ve no clue about and should keep in mind that the most players in this game are not good at all.

[JOsha]

God, that sound awful. Why do such people even queue..They should increase the penalty for such stuff..