My humble take on new SMN

[Anvaire]

Ive been a summoner main since ARR and while i do think SMN as a premise is solid overall it is a little lax and needs some more things within its rotation. As a design philosophy i quite like the direction. I think giving it a bit more variance and maybe a low potency instant cast for those times where you'tr out of primals but yourr demi isnt up and you have to move, and maybe some adjustments to the ifrit phase - i.e making it so the 2 hit combo can be split if needed would improve the class. But its no where near as bad as a lot of people are saying.

Yes it can be a little repetitive within dungeons, but ive not felt that at all while doing the extremes - mainly due to switching around the primal segments.

[Atamis]

I'm sorry Summoner isn't to your liking and the old dotruin mage was more your liking. I too have been a Summoner since ARR and one in XI and will fight you tooth and nail before ever going back to pre endwalker designs.
This summoner needs some extra work, but the current design works, It feels summoner, and it doesn't have lag as its core gameplay mechanic.
XI style could of worked fine if they didn't build ARR to copy wow tab target combat with limited abilities, a pet based summoner could of worked if their AI actually worked and their servers didn't have to 360 the world for confirmation every time you press a button.
I am more than satisfied with the current design.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

The only major gripe about the new Summoner that I have is how late in the job's, and Endwalker's, life you get Elemental Mastery, and Tri-Disaster. That trait should be split into 3; Titan, Ifrit and Garuda. Level 68, 78 and then 86. As it's the level range between 61 and 86 that desperately needs more things to do because you lose being able to use 2 Deathflare's per 120 seconds when you get Phoenix in favor of Rekindle which isn't exactly the best feeling ability and really only learn 1 new action during the entirety of that level range; Enkindle Bahamut and Enkindle Phoenix, which are effectively the same thing.

[aveyond-dreams]

I just can't stomach how condenscending and snobbish you have been with your points

The exact same thing could be said of the way in which the “complex!” crowd continuously attacked and belittled any and all fans of the rework. Acting as if they are entitled to my sympathy only ensures that they receive none of it. They helmed this ship for the past decade and catering to them drove the job into an iceberg. There comes a point when someone gives you so many wrong directions that you stop turning to them for advice on where to go. You're free to interpret my words however you want. I am not responsible for whatever version of myself lives inside their heads.

Besides it’s clearly a personal thing they have against me at this point, not that I mind because I find their posts hilarious and wonderful amusement while I wait for login queues to subside. You’d think that some of these individuals would have moved on from the job by now if they didn’t like it so much, yet I’ve spotted a certain green haired catboy (see below) hanging out in old Sharlayan all dressed up in the Rydia outfit as a max level Summoner on my server.

Regardless it does not change the fact that this cluster of “scorned” people have nothing but the same anecdotal evidence they claim is meaningless of their own at best. They forever removed legitimacy from their arguments whenever they went on their rants about how basically anything other than their enthusiastic forum posts is meaningless feedback to them, a belief that could only be possible if they somehow believed themselves more important than everyone else. "Honesty" has left the building entirely. There are improvements that can and should be made, but we do not need to go back to the previous state of things to do so.

Again, you want poisons and bio? Wait for Necromancer. You want to micromanage a tiny pet? Wait for limited job Puppetmaster to arrive. What Summoner could use now are primal themed ogcds and as others mentioned, seeing the Phoenix combo return would be lovely. You know, fits with the fact that we’re actually Summoners now. Furthermore every job could stand to get its later abilities earlier, Summoner included.

I’m not interested in giving an inch away after finally getting a proper Summoner added to this game, so if I have to put up with the occasional outburst from the other side, so be it. Being the target of their scorn is inconsequential because no matter how much they deny it, they are simply the faction with lesser numbers whose ideas and sentiments come from questionable places. If they want to view me as the evil villain, I accept the role gladly despite the fact that outside this echo chamber my stance isn’t much different to that of the general playerbase. Not that such esteemed personages would dare to interact with those who they view so lowly beneath them anyway.

[Sequora]

I would honestly just love some kind of proc that would give us a third button within our primal phases. Maybe make it like verready. Our charges have a chance to activate this third button. This would increase the complexity of our rotations as well as give us something to manage, which we desperately need

[rewd]

Snip

If people have something against you, it's because you are not interested in having a honest and civil discussion about SMN. When even people you never engaged with previously notice right away that you are snobbish and condescending, you know there is a problem. You are doing it even now: obviously what you say and think is right and what the majority (?) thinks too; other opinions are from a minority - somehow vocal - and a product of echo chambers (even though echo chambers are your preferred arguments in a conversation!).

No one is trying to make you a villain, because no one cares. You are doing everything by yourself and it's a pity because I'm sure you could better if you only tried.

[SweetPete]

I want more primals. Seeing the same 3 gets boring. We seeing them very often too. I want my shiva, leviathan and Ramuh.

[Duskane]

86 is definitely when this job gets interesting and stops being dotless bard
that said frame work is there has potential lets hope they dont MCH it up

[HappyHubris]

It would be interesting if summoner had a primal "toolbox" of say six summons to choose from and had to set up their three charges each cycle for different effects of 10 seconds apiece, say:
-Instant cast summon with lower damage.
-High damage hard-cast summon for situations where movement isn't needed.
-Summon that heals or buffs the party.
-Summon that tethers the player on an X distance chain but greatly buffs damage.
-Summon that burns the player in exchange for large damage.
-Summon that improves move speed at a damage penalty.
-Others...use your imagination.

That way fight knowledge and decision making would be rewarded while maintaining a very low skill floor for players that just want to slot in three instant cast summons and pew pew pew.

[Hagen]

Honestly they should just have added Shiva and the others. It has been 8 years since ARR we are tired of Garuda, Titan and Ifrit by now.