Liturgy of the Bell is underwhelming and needs some QoL changes.

[althenawhm]

I'm more interested to see what the Extremes and Savage Turns are gonna look like since they should have been made with the healer toolkit in mind.

Haha, good one! Next you will tell me that they will implement a usage for Repose in the next Ultimate, after all, they have healer toolkits in mind.

[NobleWinter]

Repose not being used in Ultimates must have been weighing heavily on your mind for quite some time because you leapt to that topic with a remarkable amount of finesse. I really didn't see that coming at all.

[KDSilver]

Haha, good one! Next you will tell me that they will implement a usage for Repose in the next Ultimate, after all, they have healer toolkits in mind.

Not even sure it would consider healers since casters got their repose too as a cross role action (taken from blm)

[lisaa]

Lilybell is so strong. There hasn’t been a time I used it where I was not amazed by it. Even if we are full hp and not taking damage, you can just use it and then 15s later see the biggest heal ever on your character. It really makes you feel that whm is a really powerful mage

[CrimsonGunner]

lilybell is the weakest of whm heals, medica/ cure III are much better worth using then that.
if anything it feels the weakest of all abilities so far especially for a 3min cd, you barely have multi hit stages and to use it properly u need to play bad and if not used its like medica so might as well used medica instead.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

lilybell is the weakest of whm heals, medica/ cure III are much better worth using then that.
if anything it feels the weakest of all abilities so far especially for a 3min cd, you barely have multi hit stages and to use it properly u need to play bad and if not used its like medica so might as well used medica instead.

So far each of the 3 trials including extremes have akh morn like mechanics. It almost feel like, by this way, the devs had to justify the existence of lilybell as bad as a lvl 90 skill it might be...

I think we can easily expect that it would be the same with almost every next trails/raids that will come, except if they rework lilybell in the meantime.

And with the nerf of thin air, I really miss the feeling of power when you pop thin air then spam cure 3. Now I just feel, as a whm looking at the 3 other healers, like I'm only playing an half finished class.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

this. WHM feels clunky because of stuff like this, its either (1) taking unnecessary damage to make Bell worthwhile, and (2) unnecessarily casting Afflatus Solace/Rapture so you can get to cast Misery before the pull is done. Square's philosophy here was "you have to heal in order to damage!" or "you have to take damage yourself to trigger automated heals!" and im sure that sounded cool on paper but its just not translating well in-game

but i believe this is not Square's final say on WHM because i remember how they introduced the Lily system and Plenary Indulgence and then they had to completely change them both later on, i hope something like that will happen again.
some things on my wish list are:
- make Solace/Rapture oGCD
- make Dia oGCD

This I'm going to call out. Do you want WHM to be a turret with no movement? This would leave refreshing regen as the only option for GCD's in heavy movement phases.

Hopefully for Lilybell they see the issue on it and make changes on Tuesday unless they plan Ahk Morn type mechanics in all of Tuesday's fights.

[Liam_Harper]

let's face it, most of the time it'll pop when the tank's HP is in the 95% area. no need to start insulting.

Your fault for healing the tank to 95% when a heal bomb was about to blow. They'd have been fine at 50%, then Lilybell would top them off while you happily churn out Holy's. Why did you overheal your own delayed heal?

So far each of the 3 trials including extremes have akh morn like mechanics. It almost feel like, by this way, the devs had to justify the existence of lilybell as bad as a lvl 90 skill it might be...

Both EX trials have non Ahk Morn uses for Lilybell right off the bat.

First EX trial for example. Place Bell and Asylum right at the start. Boss uses raidwide that reduces everyone to 1hp. Party receives well over 2000 heal potency before the next stack. You now have a Lily. Temp/Plenary and Lily the stack damage, then your natural Assize tops everyone off. Every WHM I've seen there is desperately spamming Medica II or Cure III and it's depressing.

Second EX trial is the same, right at the start you get a raidwide into a stack and Lilybell is the easiest 1400 potency. But no, the average WHM will Medica II and whine about how far the next Akh Morn and how useless their ridiculously massive heal button is.

Those are just 2 examples right from the start. There are a ton of good Lilybell opportunities in both EX and will be in Savage. Lilybell just needs a big cooldown reduction. Otherwise it's great, the average WHM is just bad.

[LuciaMirain]

The bell is just sort of useless in casual content atm. It works "fine" in the extremes and I am sure there will be bleed mechanics in the raids. But It is more or less useless in dungeons and I think that is what bothers people. Make it more versatile. Make it pop when the tank or someone else takes damage. Make it heal less but be back up more often. Give us the option to pop it early like earthly star. It feels so underwhelming when I run expert with it. This is my level 90 skill. It has a cool anymation, the bell even rocks back and forth and the heals look impressive during the aoebleed in the extreme trial but....that is it...

[Silver-Strider]

Your fault for healing the tank to 95% when a heal bomb was about to blow. They'd have been fine at 50%, then Lilybell would top them off while you happily churn out Holy's. Why did you overheal your own delayed heal?



Both EX trials have non Ahk Morn uses for Lilybell right off the bat.

First EX trial for example. Place Bell and Asylum right at the start. Boss uses raidwide that reduces everyone to 1hp. Party receives well over 2000 heal potency before the next stack. You now have a Lily. Temp/Plenary and Lily the stack damage, then your natural Assize tops everyone off. Every WHM I've seen there is desperately spamming Medica II or Cure III and it's depressing.

Second EX trial is the same, right at the start you get a raidwide into a stack and Lilybell is the easiest 1400 potency. But no, the average WHM will Medica II and whine about how far the next Akh Morn and how useless their ridiculously massive heal button is.

Those are just 2 examples right from the start. There are a ton of good Lilybell opportunities in both EX and will be in Savage. Lilybell just needs a big cooldown reduction. Otherwise it's great, the average WHM is just bad.

I still advocate that the upfront potency of Lilybell is weak even after clearing both extremes. In the 1st trial, I at least get the full potency out of the skill so it works fine but for the 2nd trial it felt very underwhelming to use it at any point really, outside of the end part with the multi hit mechanic. Hell, I once tried to use it at the start of the fight to see if it would be enough of a heal to keep the party alive for both hits (spoiler it wasn't). Using it as an Earthly Star during the add phase felt bad and really didn't even help all that much but it was at least more helpful than most of the cohealers I've gotten during that fight that just ignore the tanks entirely, much to the detriment of my MP. I still don't like the skill.