*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Slatersev]

This is incorrect. The first set of sacrifices was to stop the final days yes. Then the second set of sacrifices, which they went through with, was to bring life back to the planet. It wasn’t that there was chaos, it was that there was very little life left. It was never implied that it was all to keep her in check, as far as we know that was already a done deal. The third set of sacrifices was to bring back their loved ones using a portion of the new life that sprouted up from the second set of sacrifices and that was it.



So people wanting to continue existing and restore a broken world is being melodramatic and a "boomer?" I guess the ironworks are just as bad in that case as they were willing to sacrifice an entire timeline to revive the wol and do no different than the ascians. Everyones just melodramatic and a boomer in this game i suppose.

There being dramatic because they deliberate set up situations and sabotage the Sundered to fail and then use them as examples as why they suck and have to go.

Also, nowhere is is stated that it would only be a portion" of the new life. By Emet's own accounts anything new was going to go. the stuff they restored with the second was the planets life, but the new life they didn't expect was going to be what they sacrificed.

But EW actually goes into this a bit, Emet is horrified at the idea that they would just keep going, he explicitly compares trying to bring back people who willingly made the sacrifice as disrespectful to them and is furious at the idea.

Which really goes back to something that has been discussed ever since Shadowbringers released. How many of the Ancients that made the sacrifice would even want to be brought back If it cost new life there existent?

Like Hythodaleus doesn't exactly seem like the type who would see Emet mass sacrifice innocent new life to bring him back and be like "Yeah, this is what I wanted"

[QT_Melon]

But EW actually goes into this a bit, Emet is horrified at the idea that they would just keep going, he explicitly compares trying to bring back people who willingly made the sacrifice as disrespectful to them and is furious at the idea.

Which really goes back to something that has been discussed ever since Shadowbringers released. How many of the Ancients that made the sacrifice would even want to be brought back If it cost new life there existent?

Like Hythodaleus doesn't exactly seem like the type who would see Emet mass sacrifice innocent new life to bring him back and be like "Yeah, this is what I wanted"

This may be due to tempering. I don't think it was still specifically explained as to WHY/ (and who decided that) they were tempered. The Lopprites were kinda like "oh Glenda the Good Witch" knows how to summon better (sorry, it's just the way that was waived in the story line was kinda like...really??? People loved theorizing on that).

So personally hoping they actually expand on that rather than the MSQ explanation.

[Jandor]

This may be due to tempering. I don't think it was still specifically explained as to WHY/ (and who decided that) they were tempered. The Lopprites were kinda like "oh Glenda the Good Witch" knows how to summon better (sorry, it's just the way that was waived in the story line was kinda like...really??? People loved theorizing on that).

So personally hoping they actually expand on that rather than the MSQ explanation.

I personally suspect the Loporrites were possibly underselling it a tad, maybe in order to not seem rude.

Not so much that Zodiark tempering isn't a big deal, more like 'the weak sauce primals you lot can muster aren't going to be a problem, but I don't really want to say that...'

[Cleretic]

I personally suspect the Loporrites were possibly underselling it a tad, maybe in order to not seem rude.

Not so much that Zodiark tempering isn't a big deal, more like 'the weak sauce primals you lot can muster aren't going to be a problem, but I don't really want to say that...'

The way I'd put the 'primals tempering was mostly an Ascian plot' thing would be: You know how engines in cars and motorcycles are sometimes designed to be louder, for no other reason than because their core market expects louder engines?

Zodiark was a big enough engine that he was always going to make noise, even if it's less noise than you might expect. Hydaelyn might be, too, except that she's an engine running so far away from anything with ears that nobody can hear it anyway. The primals made with Ascian instruction, though, were deliberately designed to have engines so loud that they rattle the windows they drive by.

...which, incidentally, might explain why one of the only primals outside of The Big Two that never tempered anyone, including its summoners, was Alexander. If Ascian-assisted primal summoning is a deliberately faulty and inefficient build, then it only makes sense that the guys that found and solved the engineering problem were the society of engineers.

[QT_Melon]

...which, incidentally, might explain why one of the only primals outside of The Big Two that never tempered anyone, including its summoners, was Alexander. If Ascian-assisted primal summoning is a deliberately faulty and inefficient build, then it only makes sense that the guys that found and solved the engineering problem were the society of engineers.

See that's what's puzzling me because that's NOT what apparently happened. There was a whole dialog choice in Shadowbringers where you can talk with Emet and he says he was and has no reason to lie.

Yes, he says so himself

I don't think this part of why is actually over. What reason would he have to lie about it? This is why I suspect that there is a bit more to it than it being dismissed by the Lopprites and not to mention the entire themes of releasing people from being tempered. The Lopprites only explained that "they taught others to do it the wrong way"

Elpis Emet expressed horror that he would murder so many. So yes, I don't believe the line of reasoning is correct that people who did summon Zodiark weren't tempered.

His last line where he said if it were indistinguishable from the truth. I do believe may be that they may not have knowingly been tempered or he left out "tempered by design".