Do you feel that you have the "right" to AFK bot, or take other necessary measures?

[kaynide]

The first weekend was swamped with people, but after that I haven’t had to wait longer than like..30 minutes to get into game..at most. During prime time in the evening. (Japanese server).

So I don’t think it’s as big an issue in Japan as it is in the west.

For myself, I’ve never felt the need to do anything to keep me in since again, queue was only 30min at worst.

[icrot]

If I am going to make dinner or any other chore and I happen to be playing already, I will periodically go to the computer and move the character a bit or jump to remove the AFK status, but it's never more than 15-30m.

[Skiros]

Have fun being "moral" and wasting your sub money and not enjoying the expansion. I for one do not care one iota about displacing someone from the server.

The pretense that people maintain over their supposed altruism when it comes to limited resources is almost comedic. The queues during Raubahn and now this? People don't seem to understand that they're making zero difference. The queues didn't work back then and trying to get rid of anti-afk bots will not work either now.

On the other hand there are a lot of people who use these bots who cope with their own "moral failings" with all sorts of rationalizations, like blaming the company solely (even though your action has a direct consequence on others because this is a scarce resource), declaring that you have inalienable rights as a "customer" etc. These are just cringe. Accept that you're selfish and move on. Who cares? People seem absolutely aghast at the thought that they could be in the moral wrong. But really, you make moral compromises every day; you just don't realize it.

Anyways, both sides of the debate are just stupid.

[DamianFatale]

I'm not going to demonise someone who did something like got their SO to move their character every so often while they took their dog for a walk or cooked a meal. If they're playing the game before and after the short afk I'm fine with it. Similarly I'm not going to have a fit because someone had someone else go into queue for them so they could play by the time they get home from work. They're intending to play as soon as they're able.

It's those who manage to find a way to keep their character logged in even while they're sleeping irl for several hours is when I start to have an issue.

THIS. While I don't do the afk thing, I sometimes wish I had more than a half hour until auto log out. I have a husky, and they NEED walks. I've felt so bad asking my roommates to walk him in my stead, because it's really difficult to walk a husky for less than a half hour. You just can't. They need at least an hour or two of walking every single day, and even if you only did it for a half hour, my dog would probably plop down and refuse to come home until I've walked him. They are stubborn and will not stop until they are fully exercised. I've started making a habit of doing it BEFORE I log in from now on, because the queues are unbearable during the day anyway. I'd rather play at night.

[SamSmoot]

No.
I log in about 0730 US EST, when the queue is less than 40, and will stay on as long as I can stand.
If I have to make coffee or put dinner in the oven, I might return to move my character. If I have to go away longer, I just log out and forget about playing for the rest of the day.

[Merkhen]

THIS. While I don't do the afk thing, I sometimes wish I had more than a half hour until auto log out. I have a husky, and they NEED walks. I've felt so bad asking my roommates to walk him in my stead, because it's really difficult to walk a husky for less than a half hour. You just can't. They need at least an hour or two of walking every single day, and even if you only did it for a half hour, my dog would probably plop down and refuse to come home until I've walked him. They are stubborn and will not stop until they are fully exercised. I've started making a habit of doing it BEFORE I log in from now on, because the queues are unbearable during the day anyway. I'd rather play at night.

agree, you can't even go to take a nice sh*t because you get logged off, or take a shower, or cook something to eat while playing. it's bad, but it's what's working for people to be able to play.

all this "not being able to play" is giving me the chances to try Lotro (new graphic update there) or Swtor (new UI, new character creation, etc) and to make and try new decks over MTG arena alchemy/standard, everyone is trying to take the wow leftovers doing what blizz isn't doing, now SE gave them another chance.

now, I will keep with my human daily activities into 10 min each xD

[TheRealQuah]

I don't do it myself because I usually log in and play at times when there are no queues due to my working hours.

However if you buy and pay for the game you are entitled to play it however you like.

If you want to stand and dance in Limsa all day long and just chat with your friends then that is completely fine.

Botting to avoid the afk is a bit shady though, although I wouldn't mind if my friends do it if they need to go away for a while.

[SturmChurro]

Have fun being "moral" and wasting your sub money and not enjoying the expansion. I for one do not care one iota about displacing someone from the server.

The pretense that people maintain over their supposed altruism when it comes to limited resources is almost comedic. The queues during Raubahn and now this? People don't seem to understand that they're making zero difference. The queues didn't work back then and trying to get rid of anti-afk bots will not work either now.

On the other hand there are a lot of people who use these bots who cope with their own "moral failings" with all sorts of rationalizations, like blaming the company solely (even though your action has a direct consequence on others because this is a scarce resource), declaring that you have inalienable rights as a "customer" etc. These are just cringe. Accept that you're selfish and move on. Who cares? People seem absolutely aghast at the thought that they could be in the moral wrong. But really, you make moral compromises every day; you just don't realize it.

Anyways, both sides of the debate are just stupid.

Too many people bringing morality into this. It's so ridiculous. While many can play, many others who can't are actively attacking people who are able to. They seemingly want stringent punishments for players who are able to play - not just the botters, downplay any opinions on issues someone might have for something as little as having a level 90 job, and more! It's a disgrace. This supposed "great community" seemingly showing it's true colors. All because they can't have their turn with the toy. Today all I have read has really opened my eyes. I find it very difficult to relate to someone who cannot play, when this is how many of them respond.

I have cut my playtime short day after day, as to not be a burden on the queues. I wake up in the middle of the night, exhausted, so I can play early and get out early. I just think if this is how people are going to respond, I'm done with it.

[Dogempire]

Personally I have a screen sharing program that I have access to on my phone that I'll use to take control of my pc, login, and queue up about an hour before work is over, and I also use it to avoid logging out if I need to go somewhere and it's peak hours

You could argue it's a bit scummy, but it's sure as hell better to get a jump start on a 1000 person queue an hour and a half before getting home than it is to get home to a 5000 person queue

[HazyAssaulter]

Have fun being "moral" and wasting your sub money and not enjoying the expansion. I for one do not care one iota about displacing someone from the server.

The pretense that people maintain over their supposed altruism when it comes to limited resources is almost comedic. The queues during Raubahn and now this? People don't seem to understand that they're making zero difference. The queues didn't work back then and trying to get rid of anti-afk bots will not work either now.

On the other hand there are a lot of people who use these bots who cope with their own "moral failings" with all sorts of rationalizations, like blaming the company solely (even though your action has a direct consequence on others because this is a scarce resource), declaring that you have inalienable rights as a "customer" etc. These are just cringe. Accept that you're selfish and move on. Who cares? People seem absolutely aghast at the thought that they could be in the moral wrong. But really, you make moral compromises every day; you just don't realize it.

Anyways, both sides of the debate are just stupid.

Sub money isn't really being wasted at this point, what with the all the free time they're giving out