Solo vs Party

[Rydin]

Why can't they just coexist?

The Party crowd says:
Its an MMO, thats a social experience....
The entire point of playing an online game is to play with others.
Otherwise just play an offline RPG

The Solo crowd says:
It can be no fun waiting for a party that may not ever happen
In a pickup group you will, inevitably, be grouped with bad players from time to time

With that being said...
I'd like to share with you the reason I started playing this game... And also the reason I continue to play

I've never played an MMO before this one... I didn't know anything about party dynamics... tanks... healers... DD.... I didn't know any of it. I didn't realize there was this huge social aspect to it.. I didn't expect to need to use my mic and get on voice chat. I didn't know what teamspeak/ventrillo was. I thought voice chat was only for FPSers to talk shit to each other

However, I played EVERY offline RPG I could. With SE being far-and-away the best in my book... Chrono trigger, FF series, Mana (Seiken Densetsu) series.
FFXI came and I was still teasing my friends for playing Everquest... I wasn't ready to MMO....

But then something happened... A small light went on inside me.
I'd play a game... get to level 99 with everyone... get the best weapons... and at that point you have less than a day of content in the game....
Getting to 99 and getting the weapons was it.
In an offline RPG, The Journey is the Game.

That's when the small light grew..
I didn't want to say goodbye to these characters... I wanted more adventurers with Lvl 99 Cloud... More Renzokukens with Lvl 100 Squall... More trance time Monkey antics with Lvl 99 Zidane... I didn't want to say goodbye to Edger and Locke, or Chrono.. or the Cecil or the illustrious white Knight. hell, even the Secret of Mana sprite grew on me by the end

And thats when I knew what I must do... Play an MMO... where getting to the highest level is just the beginning. the good times really can go on forever. You don't level this character only to say goodbye in a few weeks.

But by then, FFXI was several expansions in... and I felt like an outsider. So I started scoping new MMOs to try... the straight medieval theme never really gabbed me.. I just loved how SE was always able to mix medieval, fantasy, steam punk, futuristic, Egyptian-Greek-mayan-Asian-Persian mythology all in one game...

then I heard rumors of FFXIV... And I was like "I wont miss out on this one"

so here I am....
I logged in.. met people.. started voice chatting.. learned about parties
Although its not the reason I started playing... The social aspect, party play and the friends I've made are the main reason I've kept playing for so long

So where does that leave us?
The happy compromise is there... i can see it

In terms of leveling....
EXP parties netting you 25k an hour at best
solo grinding netting you 10k an hour at best
If power leveling exists, it should fall between these 2, more EXP than solo but not as much as a party....

As far as content

For parties:
Dungeons... thats a VERY party oriented thing.
Primals are also made for parties
Most new content should be party based. Hopefully the Job quests require at least a light party (4 people)

Solo content:
Company leves
Crafting/gathering (Although I would love to see some group crafting/gathering implemented in the future)
A monster Arena, similar to FFX but geared towards a solo challenge. Many of my friends loved the challenge of soloing and low manning NMs early on, and even in FFXI. Most of that was due to broken classes. Now that there is a lot less OP in the world, this would be a great thing for players with not as much time on a particular day to try
Imagine NMs made specifically for soloing. because thats what they are made for, and because its in a controlled arena, it doesn't have to break game balance at all.
Also SE can make it as difficult or easy as they want, and vary the different bosses so that a class might be better suited for some but not for others. I don't know what the rewards could be? But even the party heavy players would be interested in this from time to time. Its a cool thing to do while waiting for that party to form too

[Xoo]

As far as your Solo Crowd comment:

A. Don't expect what you want when you want it if all you do is sit around with your flag up.
B. If you can't commit to a particular Linkshell's event schedules, then you get the convenience of doing what you want when you can afford the time in trade for the occasional bad apples. I look at it more as a good way to meet new players.

[Raistlin]

The Solo crowd says:
It can be no fun waiting for a party that may not ever happen
Ina pickup group you will, inevitably, be grouped with bad players from time to time

So dont play MMO.

[Rydin]

As far as your Solo Crowd comment:

A. Don't expect what you want when you want it if all you do is sit around with your flag up.
B. If you can't commit to a particular Linkshell's event schedules, then you get the convenience of doing what you want when you can afford the time in trade for the occasional bad apples. I look at it more as a good way to meet new players.

I wasn't really trying to debate the two as much as show how they really aren't opposing viewpoints
SE can definitely make solo AND party content. they should just each have their place

[Rydin]

So dont play MMO.

I feel like maybe you missed the spirit of my entire post

[Xelsiar]

They can and do coexist. But each side will say they don't have enough content, and either fine the silver lining between the two, or ultimately quit. From there, they'll either stay solo and be distant, and be deeply embedded in LS play.

[Rydin]

They can and do coexist. But each side will say they don't have enough content, and either fine the silver lining between the two, or ultimately quit. From there, they'll either stay solo and be distant, and be deeply embedded in LS play.

thats true... no matter how much content we have for each.. both will say its not enough
like 2 siblings fighting because each one feels like the other got the biggest piece of cake

But I feel like solo vs hardcore is like Republican vs democrat (Will I regret making this analogy... probably) in that most people are in the middle... I'd love end game party content AND a solo challenge arena... Most people I've talked to about it (Which obviously isn't directly representative of the entire community) seem like they'd enjoy both sides of it as well

Really though... how many people are Just solo or Just party players?

[Jinko]

I like the way FFXIV does it at the moment.

Solo is easy enough to do if you want to, party is the fastest option, end game should always be centred around party IMO.

Oddly enough the main end game we have right now is Materia melding and that's a solo activity, I really don't like it.

[Rydin]

Oddly enough the main end game we have right now is Materia melding and that's a solo activity, I really don't like it.

I like that....

what do you think about a solo challenge monster arena?

[Shiki_Lockhart]

The Solo crowd says:
It can be no fun waiting for a party that may not ever happen

If people learnt to use the fucking search function they added and updated their status as looking for party or even searching in party to join with a click no. What they do? Shout like morons in Ul'dah when search can be applied to the whole world and join.

Until people learn to use and use that will be much easier to find parties. Also this applies to people trying to make parties and are party players.

Also,

The Solo crowd says:
In a pickup group you will, inevitably, be grouped with bad players from time to time

It can happen, and is true but you can also met good players and even make new friends or even better... start a LS with them or join the party group LS you joined.

There is so many factors to help you to met new friends or join LS. Those soloists just don't do that. That's too bad.
Now don't cry over those stuff if you, on purpose or unconsciously , avoid parties or other players.