Meteion vs WoW's The Jailer (Spoilers)

[KageTokage]

Interesting, and it's definitely something I could see being the case. If Dynamis is powered by emotions, then a DRK, who harnesses their emotions for power, is a master of a form of Dynamis. The same could be said of Warrior, who unleashes their inner rage. It's possible that BLU may also be a manipulator of Dynamis, considering that while you are able to copy the moves of monsters, you'd also need to know the circumstances of how and why they use them before being able to harness them yourself.

...On second check, I think I was half-awake when I read Sidurgu's dialogue, since he makes no mention of the dark arts or dynamis, just finding your tales of world-saving absurd yet believable yet again.

Virtually all of the job/class trainers (DoH/L included) have new dialogue after the end of 6.0 MSQ, but nothing particularly insightful.

[KatsuraJun]

You understood nothing.

Also your interpretation of the philosophy doesn't mean that's what they were going with. There are several interpretations people have found. You seem to be arrogant to think you know what they were going for without knowing their mind. I'm done with you and adding you to the many people on here I have ignored.

Yes, I'm sure them using terms like Entelechy, words literally coined by Aristotle, were a total coincidence. Well, you can believe whatever you want to believe, I guess. Cognitive dissonance at it's best, lol.

[kpxmanifesto]

Normally, it is poor writing to add in a plot element that was not in any way known earlier in a long story mystery, but in Endwalker we have Meteion introduced for the 1st time as the core trouble behind the End of Days. Over in WoWland we have The Jailer introduced for the 1st time as the puppeteer behind most everything that happened before.

So far, consensus seems to be no real complaints about Meteion being brought into the narrative while there seems to be a lot of griping about The Jailer being brought in as a plot device in WoW.

Thoughts?

While I thought Meteion being the mastermind behind the finals days was kinda lame, the writers had to add something in to explain the final days. Up until Endwalker, the actual cause of the final days was a mystery.

We won't see a lot of complaints about Meteion because many FFXIV fans will refuse to see anything wrong with the game. The wow community has no such reservations though. They'll trash their game any chance they get.

[Slatersev]

While I thought Meteion being the mastermind behind the finals days was kinda lame, the writers had to add something in to explain the final days. Up until Endwalker, the actual cause of the final days was a mystery.

We won't see a lot of complaints about Meteion because many FFXIV fans will refuse to see anything wrong with the game. The wow community has no such reservations though. They'll trash their game any chance they get.

Lmao FFXIV fans still clown on Stormbloods writing till this day.

And the Wow community doesnt have reservations talking about how bad the story is because its abysmal beyond words. Nothing in XIV or frankly ANY FF game comes close to being half as dumb and intellectually offensive as Wow's story has been for near two decades, especially the last two expansions.

[kpxmanifesto]

Lmao FFXIV fans still clown on Stormbloods writing till this day.

And the Wow community doesnt have reservations talking about how bad the story is because its abysmal beyond words. Nothing in XIV or frankly ANY FF game comes close to being half as dumb and intellectually offensive as Wow's story has been for near two decades, especially the last two expansions.

I haven't heard anything about Stormblood. What's the issue? All I ever see on reddit or twitch is if someone says something bad about FFXIV they get brigaded by a bunch of angry FF fans.

[Dagget]

I think Meteion was reasonably handled, given they had kept the concept of what she was unmentioned in 99% of the game earlier. I do think Venat was the real standout in terms of adding a new character and fleshing them out to be a hero on the level of our own WoL, though A lot of ppl do take that cutscene a bit too literally and don't realize it is presented metaphorically.

[Veridiano02]

It's a videogame. You have to end up fighting something in the end. However there are some genious twists here no one seems to talk about. My personale favourite was that once you arrive to the end of the universe (Ultima Thule, wasn't it? I'm not very good with names. Remeber the "Thule" thought, that a pretty funny choice of a name, but I digress) your companions begin to drop as flies. First Thancred. That Meteion told us "yeah, he dead, you suck, lol" just like that shocked me to the core. Then all of them begin the sacrifice rulette and by the time Y'shtola went down it was pretty obvious that they weren't dying at all. It was a trick, or we have someway to call them back, or something of the sort. You don't kill your protagonists like that. The sadness wasn't even there.
And then, suddenly, when I was thinking "meh" Zenos appears and he becomes the real last boss of the MSQ. And then, the slide of pictures begin, my poor blood thirsty scythe wielding bunny girl laying almost dead, closing her eyes to oblivion... I know this is an MMO. PC can't die, and remain dead. And still... This is a Final Fantasy too, after all. Doubt swarm my mind. It was like the death of Aurenne back on GW2. Sudden, and shocking. I swear I was looking at the screen for those two cutscenes without even blink. All the shock and sadness that was denied during the suposed final ordeal was suddenly there, once the world's ending threat was already dealt with. My character, that was survived with no scratch through the fight against the forces of darkness and entropy suddenly being killed by some random final PvP duel. That was a struck of geniality in game narrative.
Things like that are proof of two things. First, make you feel the tension by making not even your own character as safe as you think, making you believe, even for a second, that they are crazy enough to even kill the main character. Or at least to think about it. And second, that this was planned already. Probably not to the letter, and probably changed by time and events, and schedules, but the main thing was already written somewhere. WoW isn't. It feels totally disconected with it's own lore, and feels like they have no idea where they are going to, probably leading towards some disapointing conclusion, and with 0 risks along the way. During last two expac. your character isn't even there. It's mostly Jaina, Sylvanas, Anduin and he's wolf, the tauren chief and the ork jesus (don't remember their names XD), and tyrande running around yolo, leroy jenkinging every Thorgast level. That's why WoW is disapointing while FFXIV isn't. However I disagree considering FFXIV's story the best There are great MMO stories out there. TESO sidequests and plots are quite good. SWTOR first story arch was excelent, and the Ethernal Throne saga wasn't as bad as many put it, by far. Characters like Lana Beniko or Kira, and the emperor... Good, best villain 2018. And I'm sorry but GW2 is great too.

[kpxmanifesto]

I think Meteion was reasonably handled, given they had kept the concept of what she was unmentioned in 99% of the game earlier. I do think Venat was the real standout in terms of adding a new character and fleshing them out to be a hero on the level of our own WoL, though A lot of ppl do take that cutscene a bit too literally and don't realize it is presented metaphorically.

Yeah, SE did the best they could with such a character. I personally thought she was a poor choice, but SE made the most of it.

[Cilia]

I haven't heard anything about Stormblood. What's the issue? All I ever see on reddit or twitch is if someone says something bad about FFXIV they get brigaded by a bunch of angry FF fans.

Stormblood is considered the weakest expansion because of terrible pacing leaving Gyr Abania severely underutilized and subpar writing during that "half" of the story, which leads to Lyse going from a ditzy martial artist to a full-fledged military leader seemingly overnight. Further the main antagonist, Zenos, isn't well-written and has a disappointing motive behind his actions compared to every other antagonist.

World of WarCraft does have some good expansions - Wrath of the Lich King and Legion are definite high points - but most of the time it's just going to kill a baddie trying to cause lots of death and destruction with no other goal. "He went crazy and evil" is also often used as an excuse to fight lore-important characters (BC Illidan, Malygos, etc).

[Sylve]

Yeah, SE did the best they could with such a character. I personally thought she was a poor choice, but SE made the most of it.

She wasn't even an antagonist. She was saddled with the negative emotions of hundreds of races and was merely directing the wave of negative emotion. Her mental process literally snapped and the Final Days was the result.

We were not fighting an individual, we defeated an amalgamation of all the despair felt by all the various races that she encountered in her journey.

In defeating that, we showed her that despair and self destruction wasn't the only path.
Effectively giving the answer to the question she was sent to the stars with.