Spoiler, Sploilers, and more Spoilers

[CeL1790]

Yeah, I know sooner or later the sisters' corruption would catch up to Meteion, but our interference was what got Emet, Hyth and Venat involved, so how did all that change things? That means we are actually responsible for what is happening in the present, which wouldn't make sense because the future takes place after the past. Time paradoxes suck because they don't make sense and then your story doesn't make sense.

Also, I think I read somewhere in EW that they had to rebuild what had been destroyed by the star shower, which would mean they are not just visual. It was just visual, as you say in ShB, when Elidibus made everyone see it to awaken their Echo. By the way, why does no one in the Source awaken to it when they see the stars? I hope it's included in 6.1. The Final Days were kind of disappointing. We had this amazing trailer and build-up since ShB and then it's just like Aurora Borealis. At that time of year, at that time of day, in that part of the country, localized entirely within Radz-at-han.

What we have is a Causal loop or a bootstrap paradox, I could try and find the words to explain it but The Doctor did it much better than I could

"The Doctor begins by explaining the bootstrap paradox to us: Let’s say a time traveler goes back to meet Beethoven, and finds that the man never really existed. The time traveler decides to take out their sheet music, copy it out by hand, and publish the works so that the universe isn’t robbed of the music. But the question becomes—where did Beethoven’s music truly come from?"

So, in essence, we always went back, a constant moment in time. our road would/has/and always will lead us to traveling through time to that very moment.

[Thatusernameistaken]

Some people are going to love EW, and some people aren't. Everyone has different tastes. I for one think ARR - EW is one of the best if not THE best story told in gaming. The only thing that can possibly match or top it for me is Arthas' story (not including the abomination of "lore" Shadowlands added to it).

[QT_Melon]

No, you said prior to Shadowbringers, expansions weren't connected. I pointed out they were because they all had a common thread behind them. What exactly did they retcon to make it fit? That's an honest question, I really want to know.

Also, there is a difference between plot and story.

Yoshi P had a multitude of interviews on the writing. Ascians in 1.0 were basically "Shadowless" There's also some weird hijinks with Eureka that actually mention an Ascian but the timeline is actually kinda messed up from other lore snippets. King Thordan is interesting because they intended that the lighting effect was done for dramatic purposes but fans came up speculating and it took off on its own.

These are some examples however, but I can bring up the interviews.

[Accursed_Immortal]

Yoshi P had a multitude of interviews on the writing. Ascians in 1.0 were basically "Shadowless" There's also some weird hijinks with Eureka that actually mention an Ascian but the timeline is actually kinda messed up from other lore snippets. King Thordan is interesting because they intended that the lighting effect was done for dramatic purposes but fans came up speculating and it took off on its own.

These are some examples however, but I can bring up the interviews.

1.0 isn't relevant to ARR.

My complaint is if they had more time, they could have filled the gaps of this story and made this game even better.

[NanaWiloh]

How to ruin a story for yourself 101? Dissect,rip and gut the life out of it like mad doctor. Then question in a moment of shear stupidity how can anyone can like it. Or fail to realize that every method,trope and avenue to story telling has been reused a thousand times and nothing is new.

You want the perfect story write your own. Then sit back and enjoy as people rip,gut and scrutinize your story to no end.

[QT_Melon]

1.0 isn't relevant to ARR.

My complaint is if they had more time, they could have filled the gaps of this story and made this game even better.

I would disagree since 1.0 is the Calamity. But that I agree. I think some things could have been tightened up or explained better. Some parts I just question the direction and pacing. That and little less plot holes.

[Lium]

Yoshi P had a multitude of interviews on the writing. Ascians in 1.0 were basically "Shadowless" There's also some weird hijinks with Eureka that actually mention an Ascian but the timeline is actually kinda messed up from other lore snippets. King Thordan is interesting because they intended that the lighting effect was done for dramatic purposes but fans came up speculating and it took off on its own.

These are some examples however, but I can bring up the interviews.

Well, first thanks for answering. I was genuinely curious what was retconned. Having said that, none of what you mentioned is actually a retcon. 1.0 is not ARR. Everything from ARR to Endwalker has a common thread. Were they making up stuff as they went along to try and make it fit? Yeah, sure. But that's not a retcon, that's the creative process and, I dare say, maybe even a marketing decision. "Fans seem to want this, so let's make it happen." You can call it a copout or fanservice or jumping the shark or whatever you want to call it. But it's not a retcon. Ultimately they need to make money.

A retcon is what happened in WoW when the writers said Sargeras (sort of the Zodiark of WoW up until Legion) corrupted the eredar (a demonic race) as opposed to the other way round. Sargeras's corruption of the eredar is a retcon.

[NanaWiloh]

What we have is a Causal loop or a bootstrap paradox, I could try and find the words to explain it but The Doctor did it much better than I could

"The Doctor begins by explaining the bootstrap paradox to us: Let’s say a time traveler goes back to meet Beethoven, and finds that the man never really existed. The time traveler decides to take out their sheet music, copy it out by hand, and publish the works so that the universe isn’t robbed of the music. But the question becomes—where did Beethoven’s music truly come from?"

So, in essence, we always went back, a constant moment in time. our road would/has/and always will lead us to traveling through time to that very moment.

Points to you, you did a better job of explaining it then I did in my post lol

[KizuyaKatogami]

How to ruin a story for yourself 101? Dissect,rip and gut the life out of it like mad doctor. Then question in a moment of shear stupidity how can anyone can like it. Or fail to realize that every method,trope and avenue to story telling has been reused a thousand times and nothing is new.

You want the perfect story write your own. Then sit back and enjoy as people rip,gut and scrutinize your story to no end.

I haven’t really seen anyone question “how can anyone like this story?” in this thread. Irregardless though again, no matter what it is, everything will have criticism. Evidently a lot of it is valid for Endwalker, especially with how long people have waited for it. I think most people can agree even if they think the story was good, there were at the very least pacing issues. I don’t think anyone wanted a perfect story as nothing exists like that, but many think there’s a lot of major flaws with endwalker. They’re allowed to express that. Part of lore enthusiasts is dissecting said lore. That’s not a bad thing lmao. Not everyone is going to be captured by the essence of the constant fluff from the scions and "cute graha eating a burger."

[van_arn]

The lack of scion deaths doesn’t bother me as much as it has in the past, mainly due to it feeling like they’re almost breaking the fourth wall and doubling down on “ha ha these scions have plot armor.”

That and losing Venat hurt a bit, even if we only knew her as Venat for a short time.