People advertising they're running Parsers

[Hysorn]

I thought it wasn't about using but whether or not you are annoying others or abusing the system when it comes to addons. Logs are a great source of self improvement for those that enjoying raiding seriously with friends.

[Arazehl]

I thought it wasn't about using but whether or not you are annoying others or abusing the system when it comes to addons. Logs are a great source of self improvement for those that enjoying raiding seriously with friends.

No it's actually against ToS. Your thoughts seem to be based on what other people or players have told you. So say you streamed a session and someone saw you with a parcer and reported you. Regardless if you were or were not pointing out to someone the lack of dps, you'd still would get a warning and mark on your account based on the ToS. Same with any third party software.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

No it's actually against ToS. Your thoughts seem to be based on what other people or players have told you. So say you streamed a session and someone saw you with a parcer and reported you. Regardless if you were or were not pointing out to someone the lack of dps, you'd still would get a warning and mark on your account based on the ToS. Same with any third party software.

This is why I always recommend people - as in my fellow raiders - to just silently kick instead of pointing out any issues you might have.

It's a solid solution. 'Difference in Playstyles' is a viable and SE-sanctioned option.

[Saraide]

This is why I always recommend people - as in my fellow raiders - to just silently kick instead of pointing out any issues you might have.

It's a solid solution. 'Difference in Playstyles' is a viable and SE-sanctioned option.

I am not convinced the silent kick/disband + blacklist is the healthier option than if we were just able to openly say what is going wrong. Then again, there are often times other things you can bring up long before looking at damage numbers like dying repeatedly or eating many damage downs. Usually being bad at a job and being bad at mechanics go hand in hand.

Do you believe that toxicity and passive-aggressive remarks are acceptable because you accepted to join a parse group?

I don't want to deal with that, and I don't think that the majority of people enjoy having toxic behavior directed at them. At least with static groups you can leave the FC and avoid them.

Then dont join a parse pf, it's as simple as that. PFs are all about finding like minded people to do something explicitly agreed upon. That's like joining a fresh prog party and expecting them to clear on first pull. No one can force you to join a parse PF and if you dont like any of the currently available PFs for the content you want to do, just host your own.

[Hysorn]

Other than bitterness for some forsaken reason, what would the reasoning for reporting someone doing something that doesn't impact your gameplay? I mean, so far no one reported streamers for using chat bubbles and that is also against ToS or if they did, SE didn't see fit to perform any action.

And by third party softwares being bannable offenses, wouldn't that make using Discord for difficult content, something almost mandatory for savage/ultimate prog groups that don't want to stay in the same phase over and over against ToS?

[Welsper59]

Other than bitterness for some forsaken reason, what would the reasoning for reporting someone doing something that doesn't impact your gameplay? I mean, so far no one reported streamers for using chat bubbles and that is also against ToS or if they did, SE didn't see fit to perform any action.

And by third party softwares being bannable offenses, wouldn't that make using Discord for difficult content, something almost mandatory for savage/ultimate prog groups that don't want to stay in the same phase over and over against ToS?

That's pretty much all the reason someone would need. Bitter or not, reason doesn't have to exist for someone to report you for breaking ToS. Hence why the emphasis by everyone is to just not be stupid about using a parser (or even a bot in that community).

And yes, you are correct that Discord is, in fact, a potential violation of ToS. Yoshi-P himself addressed that before. Logically though, he did also go over how it's a grey area due to the fact that its primary use has nothing to do with the game. It's basically just VoiP software after all, utilized for all sorts of reasons unrelated to games. No different than opening Google Spreadsheet to manually calculate stuff, which is also a potential violation, as weird as that sounds. The legal wording for the ToS is all-encompassing because it protects them from outlier instances. It's their enforcement of it that is the only thing that is subjective on this specific matter. In other words, while Discord is a potential violation, they have no reasonable cause to ban you for using it since your exact purpose to use it is difficult to prove and just not worth the time as a result. Something like ACT on the otherhand, there is no doubt about it being used if you literally advertise you use it and provide evidence for it (e.g. sharing a parse).

[Hysorn]

That's pretty much all the reason someone would need. Bitter or not, reason doesn't have to exist for someone to report you for breaking ToS. Hence why the emphasis by everyone is to just not be stupid about using a parser (or even a bot in that community).

And yes, you are correct that Discord is, in fact, a potential violation of ToS. Yoshi-P himself addressed that before. Logically though, he did also go over how it's a grey area due to the fact that its primary use has nothing to do with the game. It's basically just VoiP software after all, utilized for all sorts of reasons unrelated to games. No different than opening Google Spreadsheet to manually calculate stuff, which is also a potential violation, as weird as that sounds. The legal wording for the ToS is all-encompassing because it protects them from outlier instances. It's their enforcement of it that is the only thing that is subjective on this specific matter. In other words, while Discord is a potential violation, they have no reasonable cause to ban you for using it since your exact purpose to use it is difficult to prove and just not worth the time as a result. Something like ACT on the otherhand, there is no doubt about it being used if you literally advertise you use it and provide evidence for it (e.g. sharing a parse).

Thank you, I appreciate the explanation on that one.