People advertising they're running Parsers

[Hammerhorn]

I’ve played this game since launch and I’ve never seen anyone trashed for their dps , guess I’m runnin content with the right people. Parsers are not the problem.

[Araxes]

And yet this is done in a fashion that has nothing to do with the in-game chat.

You are still missing the point

A lot of people, claiming to use this for themselves, really just use it to vent frustration accumulated somewhere else.

[Imora]

Actually the TOS prohibits software that modifies the games code, so it isn't "legit." They just choose not to enforce it...for now.

Last I checked its nothing more than a glorified packet sniffer. It's not modifying anything, but instead reading and parsing incoming data.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

You are still missing the point

A lot of people, claiming to use this for themselves, really just use it to vent frustration accumulated somewhere else.

Yeah, I'm most definitely missing your point. As I don't see how them venting in an out of game setting is a problem.

[Imora]

I’ve played this game since launch and I’ve never seen anyone trashed for their dps , guess I’m runnin content with the right people. Parsers are not the problem.

I've seen it. Had nothing to do with a parser either. "damn this trash is taking FOREVER to die wth" is usually it.

[Rolder50]

Dalamud is simple little program you download for FFXIV. It has dozens if not hundreds of addons that do various things for the game, by modifying its code. Some as simple as letting you get a quicker launcher. Many things, far more ominous that I wont post here.

There's no need to be dramatic; none of the plugins do anything like bot or whatnot. Some of them would include a combo plugin that consolidates 1-2-3 combos to one button similar to pvp, timers, extended search info for RPers, Discord connections, one that lets you see which Orchestration rolls and minions you already have (really should be a default feature btw)

[JanVanding]

And yet prominent streamers in the community have it displayed openly in front of audiences of hundreds to thousands. Y’all are fighting a losing battle.

Yet those streamers don't call others out or put them on the spot, they use it for it's intended purpose. To Gauge their own performance

The ones that didn't, we know what happened, given the flames that engulfed the forums that day.

But I'm more likely to trust a streamer to use a Parser properly than random group that's already advertising in a passive aggressive manner anyway.

[technole]

It goes under datamining, because you get to see what the others is doing as well as it records to the same place all, combat logs should be private and SE can do something about that, so you can only see numbers of your own doing.

Nope, they'll never be. Good raid groups that meet enrages in say the early weeks of savage/ultimate would like to know where they stand. Maybe the raid damage is just 100k short of killing the boss, and all the players are actually good. Knowing that piece of information could be the catalyst to make changes to doing certain mechanics, uptime, potions, etc.

There is also the aspect of knowing how much damage the boss(es) did to you, and how much were you or party members were (over)killed by. Did a healer forget to add barriers to survive a mechanic? Did you not have enough HP? What was debuffed at the time? Reprisal, addle? This kind of level of detail exists in the early weeks as well because you are undergeared.

[Welsper59]

When it comes to the ToS, there is no grey area. It's absurd that people think there's an actual grey area regarding legal text that utilize absolute words/terms. Literally any third party application [i.e. external tool] used in conjunction with the game is a violation of the ToS. Even with just using Discord or just a simple Excel spreadsheet to do things related to the game. Yoshi-P himself went over this on an old livestream. Source

It's the interpretation of those who take action that has any sense of a grey area. Legal text has no feelings or capability to understand, as it's just text obviously. This is the key factor here and why people need to understand that in many ways, most of us are, by habit, breaking ToS or at least walking that line. Using Discord, while literally suspect for violating ToS, is something that any GM would not hold against you due to its purpose (i.e. it isn't inherently being used for FFXIV nor could it be proven to be otherwise). ACT, while minor in impact to how it utilizes the games data, is a blatant violation by comparison. It's undeniable on that aspect. That said, people like Yoshi-P always stress they do understand the positive impact 3rd party apps can have. It's why he stresses people who do use it to not advertise it, especially if you're going to do so where people you don't know can see. You are factually violating ToS, so don't be stupid about it. Even something like GShade is a direct violation, just to point out lol.

Personally, anyone stupid enough to advertise they're violating ToS with whatever they're using, deserves a ban if it's coming to them. If you're stupid enough to risk it so unnecessarily, you suffer whatever consequences come your way. It's simple and straightforward. There is no need for arguing the middle ground when you understand the basic concept of what violates ToS. Ever heard of people who break the law or do something in violation of conduct, then advertise it on social media and suffer the consequences? I'd hope none of us feel sympathy for people so stupid.

[Hysorn]

I thought it wasn't about using but whether or not you are annoying others or abusing the system when it comes to addons. Logs are a great source of self improvement for those that enjoying raiding seriously with friends.