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  1. #33131
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Alaha Vellonnu
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    So I've finally gotten to the 89 dungeon, and my friends basically demanded they run it with me. I told them I had no idea of the dungeon, and our smn was like 'don't worry! We got your back!' Imagine his shock when we found out the first boss has a tankbuster cleave. Yes, tankbuster cleave. and it's WIDE. Like, about 180 degree wide. I saw them at full hp and then suddenly dead. SMN friend remained shaky throughout the dungeon while I got a grip on healing the mass pulls on whm.

    Then they demanded they accompany me for the 89 trial. We wiped twice because 5/8 were new, including me. The dps just didn't follow the danger dorito (our reaper friend) for a good chunk of the fight and this one poor blm mainly remained on the floor while I was trying to get the mechanics for the fight plus trying to space out my ogcds. God bless that rdm we had helping to save the run when both of us healers died to mechs.

    I'm nervous about the 90 dungeon and 90 trial. I'm not sure if I'm up to standard anymore.

    On a non-TFDF story, I had a dream the other night. My character and Zenos were having a rapid slap battle and I had no idea who was winning.
    (4)
    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  2. #33132
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    VelKallor's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Vel Kallor
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    Kujata
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Not a big deal but it was fun, I was the only non lalafell in the group.
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  3. #33133
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    Dogempire's Avatar
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cubsbane View Post
    Man. I've heard some stories about Bozja, but honestly, in Crystal it's been very nice... until EW hit. Now there are a lot of new people who don't know the etiquette (I don't know what else to call it).

    Healers full-on watching tanks die in fates without helping. Leaving dead people on the ground to teleport away and not come back. Once, I Provoked a strong mob to save a DPS and they didn't even bother trying to help kill it as it gradually murdered me. And it then went on to murder some other people who finally did try to help at the last minute. I was full on jumping up and down beside an aetheryte with low HP and 0 people did anything for the longest time.

    It really wasn't like this before. Maybe this is also what it was like when Southern Front and Zadnor were new, but by the time I was doing stuff, almost everyone was helpful.
    Tbh this is why I always go into Bozja with a "I'll solo everything if I have to" mentality and prepare skills accordingly

    Since there's a mettle penalty on death there's no incentive to trust people to not be dumb and kill you, so it's better to go into a fight with a mentality of "Can I beat this mob/boss with no help whatsoever?" and if the answer is no, then don't bother
    (3)

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  4. #33134
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    Cubsbane's Avatar
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    Uklizda Soreile
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    Tbh this is why I always go into Bozja with a "I'll solo everything if I have to" mentality and prepare skills accordingly

    Since there's a mettle penalty on death there's no incentive to trust people to not be dumb and kill you, so it's better to go into a fight with a mentality of "Can I beat this mob/boss with no help whatsoever?" and if the answer is no, then don't bother
    And that would work, except I had no reason to expect that things would be any different than they were before.
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  5. #33135
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    FedoraTheExplorer's Avatar
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    Roland Umbrosus
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Got the level 90 MSQ dungeon in Experts yesterday. Tank comes in with no artifact gear, just HQ whites with some bits of level 80+ dungeon pieces. Has two Edenmorn accessories. He is absolutely made of paper and gets shredded during his big pulls. It takes me everything I have to just keep him alive and it's barely enough. I've had no problem up to this point healing tanks. I'm a little bit annoyed because how do you miss getting your artifact gear and why are you in a level 90 dungeon wearing last expansion gear.

    We make it through the first boss though and then inevitably wipe on the next set of pulls. It was going to happen. I can't stress how absolutely wrecked this tank was getting despite me doing whatever I can to keep alive. I ask him to get his artifact gear after the dungeon.

    "Watch a sge guide." followed by a ragequit.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    We did get a friendlier tank afterwards though and got through the dungeon just fine with a few hiccups along the way. Rather interesting how I went from "I can barely keep the tank alive" to "oh this isn't so bad anymore".
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    Last edited by FedoraTheExplorer; 12-12-2021 at 10:31 PM.

  6. #33136
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    Bhearil's Avatar
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    Tuya Bayaqud
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 52
    Quote Originally Posted by FedoraTheExplorer View Post
    Got the level 90 MSQ dungeon in Experts yesterday. Tank comes in with no artifact gear, just HQ whites with some bits of level 80+ dungeon pieces. Has two Edenmorn accessories. He is absolutely made of paper and gets shredded during his big pulls. It takes me everything I have to just keep him alive and it's barely enough. I've had no problem up to this point healing tanks. I'm a little bit annoyed because how do you miss getting your artifact gear and why are you in a level 90 dungeon wearing last expansion gear.

    We make it through the first boss though and then inevitably wipe on the next set of pulls. It was going to happen. I can't stress how absolutely wrecked this tank was getting despite me doing whatever I can to keep alive. I ask him to get his artifact gear after the dungeon.

    "Watch a sge guide." followed by a ragequit.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    We did get a friendlier tank afterwards though and got through the dungeon just fine with a few hiccups along the way. Rather interesting how I went from "I can barely keep the tank alive" to "oh this isn't so bad anymore".
    Welcome to "skip everything" players that dont realize they can get free artifact gear even if it bites them in the rear and they are always faultless is the others the ones who suck.

    Look the bright side, at least you dodged a bullet with him leaving for good
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  7. #33137
    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Rinh Neftereh
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    a short story in pictures, context was the healer having to leave before the last paglthan pull, which obv was no issue due to raw intuition lol

    so because he doesn't want to spend all day on this, he's... just going to stand around and potentially wait 10 minutes instead of at least trying to do the last boss

    what happened to not having all day?
    though he left after 3 minutes once he realized that neither the reaper or I was going to die in the foreseeable future lmao
    we could've easily finished it with 3 players, too
    (4)

  8. #33138
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Alaha Vellonnu
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    Lamia
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Queued up on an alt for leveling roulette, get Malikah's Well. Party comp is GNB SGE RPR and me on RDM.

    Gate drops and tank runs to grab mobs, only they forgot to put on tank stance. None of us realized this and we start pulling...and suddenly I'm getting low on health from that Contre Sixt...why the holy Vay Hek do I have aggro?

    We get to the first gate and the sage starts to beg for tank stance, tank doesn't seem to realize anything's wrong until I'm dead and respawn. We managed to clear the mobset before he turned on stance but I got a few sympathies after I spoke up when I got back to the group.

    I died as I lived...as a cooldown.
    (1)
    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  9. #33139
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by FedoraTheExplorer View Post
    Got the level 90 MSQ dungeon in Experts yesterday. Tank comes in with no artifact gear, just HQ whites with some bits of level 80+ dungeon pieces. Has two Edenmorn accessories. He is absolutely made of paper and gets shredded during his big pulls. It takes me everything I have to just keep him alive and it's barely enough. I've had no problem up to this point healing tanks. I'm a little bit annoyed because how do you miss getting your artifact gear and why are you in a level 90 dungeon wearing last expansion gear.

    We make it through the first boss though and then inevitably wipe on the next set of pulls. It was going to happen. I can't stress how absolutely wrecked this tank was getting despite me doing whatever I can to keep alive. I ask him to get his artifact gear after the dungeon.

    "Watch a sge guide." followed by a ragequit.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    We did get a friendlier tank afterwards though and got through the dungeon just fine with a few hiccups along the way. Rather interesting how I went from "I can barely keep the tank alive" to "oh this isn't so bad anymore".
    I would ignore that tank. SGE is not a burst healer; they focus primarily on damage mitigation, and are absolute garbage at trying to burst up a 1/2-ply toilet paper tank that isn’t properly geared, and probably also isn’t using their CDs correctly either. That said, from what I’ve heard, it actually struggles the most in dungeons compared to other healers. I haven’t had a chance to test this out yet, though.

    I had a tank similar to yours last night: same dungeons, too. He wasn’t wearing whites, but he was horrible at using his cooldowns. He popped Shadow Wall and Rampart during the same pull at almost the same time, completely ignored Oblation, never used Arm’s Length, and thought Dark Missionary was an acceptable cooldown to use in a pull where all the mobs deal physical damage. He popped LD and I had already burned through most of my kit at that point trying to keep him alive while he ate all the autos raw, so I couldn’t save him from Walking Dead. And I get blamed for being a poor healer.

    I also got blamed for his DNC friend En Avanting into AOEs and getting themselves (and the other DPS) killed during the second boss. Sorry, but that’s not a healing issue—that’s a “your friend was eating crap and paid for it” issue. No healer can heal a one-shot.

    When I told him SGE is not equipped to heal LD very well without blowing an obnoxious amount of oGCDs on it (that I didn’t even have when he popped it), well it didn’t matter because I had too much “big pp energy” and it was still my fault. Or some nonsense.


    As for other fun stories from Early Access to now, try:
    - wiping to Sawtooth & The Tree in Void Ark in 6.0 (tree ate too much, got much mad)
    - Vote Abandoning A5N because people didn’t understand how to avoid Boost or handle bombs
    - getting tanks in Holminster Switch that save CDs for the boss instead of using them on trash
    - non-DPSing SGEs or SGEs that put Kardia on themselves or an OT (Kardia does stack, so putting both on the MT when the MT is the only one taking damage is a much better use than putting it on an OT who is basically just a blue DPS the entire fight)
    (3)
    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 12-13-2021 at 10:53 AM.
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  10. #33140
    Player
    Shibi's Avatar
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    Lala Felon
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    Zurvan
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    SGE is not a burst healer; they focus primarily on damage mitigation, and are absolute garbage at trying to burst up a 1/2-ply toilet paper tank that isn’t properly geared, and probably also isn’t using their CDs correctly either. That said, from what I’ve heard, it actually struggles the most in dungeons compared to other healers. I haven’t had a chance to test this out yet, though.
    (It's still way early days but) Yeah, tank needs to know how to keep their mitigations up as well as us using ours. I'd have to say I notice we are also a close range healer to an extent, so if any dps are running off, they will likely die. Those long range heals have only 3 (or 4) charges and I prefer to keep them for the tank or me.

    It would be nice if Dyskrasia had a holy type stun. Being in the muck to AoE makes me appreciate my AST's big ball of woosh more.
    (1)
    Last edited by Shibi; 12-13-2021 at 10:37 AM.

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