Liturgy of the Bell is underwhelming and needs some QoL changes.

[Silver-Strider]

I admit I'm actually unsure why this ability has so much hate in terms of healing power?

Even if you just place it when a regular raidwide is coming up, it heals 400 on hit, then another 800 (4 stacks) a few seconds after. 1200-2000 potency raid healing on one button is incredibly good. Am I actually reading something wrong here or something, why is that underwhelming?

My only problem with Lilybell is that the cooldown is far too long and one decent toy doesn't fix the class. I'd rather it was less potency but a much shorter cooldown. But as an ability by itself, it's great.

Weren't you just complaining that Cure 3's 600 potency was too low, given its restrictions? Aren't the restrictions on Lilybell, both the CD and the requirement of taking damage, equally as bad and with only 400 potency per hit to show for it? If I still have to cast a GCD heal in order to survive the next mechanic while Lilybell is up, than its realistically no different from PI, used primarily as a supplement to our GCD healing toolkit rather than a stand alone skill and the backloaded healing effect isn't something we have any agency over so its unreliable to account for it; there's no guarantee that we'll need that backload for anything and while Earthly Star requires a similar level of foresight to reach its full potential, it's on 1/3 the CD and does damage on top so at minimum it's still a DPS gain whereas Lilybell doesn't have that luxury.

This skill is a 2nd crappier charge to PI and nothing else.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Can you not make Lilybell heal early like you can with Earthly Star and Macrocosmos? (Just shows Astro is superior to WHM) Or do you have to wait the full 15 seconds?

Probably because it's the canon name of SCH's fairy.

And they should retcon the name of the real Lily to Seraph instead. As Scholar doesn't even summon the real Lily in the first place. They summon her two alter egos and Seraph for some reason.

[Liam_Harper]

Weren't you just complaining that Cure 3's 600 potency was too low, given its restrictions?

This is between double and triple Cure III's potency for free with a far wider range. Remember excess Lilybell stacks are turned into a heal (a full 1000 potency if you took 0 damage), so you either use it for Akh Morn mechanics, or plan it in advance (similar to a full potency Earthy Star) and utilize the 1200 total potency (1 hit then 4 expired stacks) to heal a raidwide.

I think WHM is an utter mess but except for the massive cooldown I'm not waving a pitchfork over this one.

[Silver-Strider]

This is between double and triple Cure III's potency for free with a far wider range. Remember excess Lilybell stacks are turned into a heal (a full 1000 potency if you took 0 damage), so you either use it for Akh Morn mechanics, or plan it in advance (similar to a full potency Earthy Star) and utilize the 1200 total potency (1 hit then 4 expired stacks) to heal a raidwide.

I think WHM is an utter mess but except for the massive cooldown I'm not waving a pitchfork over this one.

It doesn't matter that its free if the upfront potency isn't enough on its own to heal the party into a safe range that the next raid wide doesn't kill the group. If at any point I have to utilize a GCD heal while Lilybell is up because we won't survive otherwise, then it's equivalent to PI in nature as little more than a supplement to my heals rather than a replacement for them and is no longer free at that point but a cost reduction. Unless you time Lilybell to expire in time with a big hit, that backloaded potency when it expires is meaningless

[Liam_Harper]

It's similar to timing Earthy Star to blow after a raidwide to heal it. Let's say a single raidwide is coming up in 5-10 sec, your party is healthy and the next raidwide after that one isn't for another 10-30 sec. Extremely common scenario. Raidwides rarely hit back to back unless it's a Tumult type (which Lily also handles).

-Star, you'd set it 5-10 sec before the raidwide. The raidwide hits. Let it reach Earthly Dominance. Pop it or allow it to pop (+720 potency). Your party is healed and safe for the next raidwide.

-Lily you'd set it 5-10 sec before the raidwide. The raidwide hits (+400 potency). Let it expire. Lily automatically uses 4 excess stacks (+800 potency). Your party is healed and safe for the next raidwide.

It's a full Star and a half worth in this scenario. Why would you need a GCD heal and how is that massive backloaded potency useless? It only has a 15 sec duration, it'll pop well before you're in any danger. Raidwides don't need healing instantly.

[Silver-Strider]

It's similar to timing Earthy Star to blow after a raidwide to heal it. Let's say a single raidwide is coming up in 5-10 sec, your party is healthy and the next raidwide after that one isn't for another 10-30 sec. Extremely common scenario. Raidwides rarely hit back to back unless it's a Tumult type (which Lily also handles).

-Star, you'd set it 5-10 sec before the raidwide. The raidwide hits. Let it reach Earthly Dominance. Pop it or allow it to pop (+720 potency). Your party is healed and safe for the next raidwide.

-Lily you'd set it 5-10 sec before the raidwide. The raidwide hits (+400 potency). Let it expire. Lily automatically uses 4 excess stacks (+800 potency). Your party is healed and safe for the next raidwide.

It's a full Star and a half worth in this scenario. Why would you need a GCD heal and how is that massive backloaded potency useless? It only has a 15 sec duration, it'll pop well before you're in any danger. Raidwides don't need healing instantly.

So literally a worse Earthly Star in every way.

[Rilifane]

So literally a worse Earthly Star in every way.

Mostly because of its long cooldown.
The potency is actually pretty damn high but the cooldown paired with the way it works puts a lot more restrictions on it than it deserves. Even in an absolute worst case where the raid drops to 1 HP but doesn't trigger Lilybell because it's not counted as taking damage, it's a 1000 potency megaheal.
You need to plan it well for single hits but the potency isn't the problem and planning heals is part of a good healer anyway. 3min cd is just way too high. I wouldn't mind seeing it changed to how Panhaima works but a major cooldown reductions is definitely necessary.

[Liam_Harper]

So literally a worse Earthly Star in every way.

In terms of heal potency it's way better. Which is a big consideration considering Earthy Star is one of the best heals in the game. In other ways, it's indeed worse.

Mostly the cooldown is just far too long and WHM has far too many problems for one good ability to fix.

[Silver-Strider]

Mostly because of its long cooldown.
The potency is actually pretty damn high but the cooldown paired with the way it works puts a lot more restrictions on it than it deserves. Even in an absolute worst case where the raid drops to 1 HP but doesn't trigger Lilybell because it's not counted as taking damage, it's a 1000 potency megaheal.
You need to plan it well for single hits but the potency isn't the problem and planning heals is part of a good healer anyway. 3min cd is just way too high. I wouldn't mind seeing it changed to how Panhaima works but a major cooldown reductions is definitely necessary.

So you don't see anything wrong with a skill, who's entire design is based on Ark Morn-esque mechanics, being used as little more than an Earthly Star?

[Rilifane]

So you don't see anything wrong with a skill, who's entire design is based on Ark Morn-esque mechanics, being used as little more than an Earthly Star?

"I'd love for Lilybell to place stacks on every person like Panhaima from Sage does."
"The potency is actually pretty damn high but the cooldown paired with the way it works puts a lot more restrictions on it than it deserves.
"I wouldn't mind seeing it changed to how Panhaima works"
Obviously I do.
I'm not your enemy, I know the skill is in need of some QoL adjustments. But potency isn't the problem. The biggest problem is the unjustly high cooldown, followed by how it only triggers when the WHM takes damage. It can absolutely be utilized for regular raidwides without a Panhaima treatment but that means it's on a far higher cooldown for a higher gain than Star.