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  1. #1
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    CyanChan's Avatar
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    Adore Aoide
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    Hades
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 90

    Dragoon is too heavy now.

    I like what's new in dragoon with 6. 0

    However, more ability and shorter cooldown means dragoon needs to do double weaving ALL THE TIME,arrange multiple actions with moving in 20 seconds.

    Dragoon is now dealing more direction requirements than anyother melee dps, meanwhile dealing less damage than others, also dealing with the heaviest combo, and spineshatter/dragonfire dive did not make dragoon more flexible but stupid, aslo this two have no link with other skills.
    In a word, FRUSTRATING.
    I think dragoon needs more incoming change.
    I suggest following changes:

    Spineshatter Dive : potency changed from 250 to 0, now grants 2 stacks of Weakness Thrust to target.
    Weakness Thrust Effect: guaranteeing that all Jump, High Jump, Stardiver are critical and direct hits.
    Duration : 25s

    Dragonfire Dive: Now also creates a patch of burned earth at target's feet, increase enemy's damage taken from Geirskogul, Nastrond, Wyrmwind Thrust by 10%.
    Duration: 20s

    Raiden Thrust: Now also extends Power Surge duration by 15s to a maximum of 30s.

    Life surge: Now also grants Dragon Blood.
    Dragon Blood Effect: Nullifies all action direction requirements.
    Duration: 9s

    Thank you for reading this.
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    Last edited by CyanChan; 12-09-2021 at 06:06 PM.

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    Character
    Vincent Highwinds
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    I agree dragoon seems underwhelming in term of DPS compared to his melee counterpart looking at parses. I don't think it needs a class overhaul like you're suggesting. If anything, it needs a potency buff to it's major cooldowns like Stardiver from 500 to 700 and Dragonfire dive from 300 to 500. I would also buff lance charge from 10% to 15%. This would likely put them on par with reaper.
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    Adore Aoide
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    Hades
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    Lancer Lv 90
    I dont agree it's only about numbers, but also about linking skills together, and dragoon shouldnt be a class without flexibility.
    There is too many ability to weave now, i agree arranging ability is part of dragoon's style, but the situation at this moment is not what it should get.
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    Sao Saidin
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by FFWinner View Post
    I agree dragoon seems underwhelming in term of DPS compared to his melee counterpart looking at parses. I don't think it needs a class overhaul like you're suggesting. If anything, it needs a potency buff to it's major cooldowns like Stardiver from 500 to 700 and Dragonfire dive from 300 to 500. I would also buff lance charge from 10% to 15%. This would likely put them on par with reaper.
    This!

    I love the job, but the only thing I would like to see changed is the potency of Stardiver. You work to get into life of the dragon and the capstone ability within life of the dragon just feels…. underwhelming. Looks absolutely unreal animation wise but I feel the potency could be adjusted as you suggest to make the build up of getting into life of the dragon a bit more rewarding and bump the dps a little.

    That being said I am not sure a potency increase will occur given the utility the job brings. But I would still like to see the potency increase for Stardiver regardless!
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FFWinner View Post
    I agree dragoon seems underwhelming in term of DPS compared to his melee counterpart looking at parses. I don't think it needs a class overhaul like you're suggesting. If anything, it needs a potency buff to it's major cooldowns like Stardiver from 500 to 700 and Dragonfire dive from 300 to 500. I would also buff lance charge from 10% to 15%. This would likely put them on par with reaper.
    Parses don't show rDPS though. Are you not taking into account the extra damage of the group from your own DS/BL? Parsers won't show that but logs will.
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    Baradaeg Ryssbhirwyn
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Parses don't show rDPS though. Are you not taking into account the extra damage of the group from your own DS/BL? Parsers won't show that but logs will.
    DRG is 400 to 500 DPS behind RPR, regardless of rDPS, aDPS or nDPS. Just look at the logs, made by parses.
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    Rawon Special
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FFWinner View Post
    I agree dragoon seems underwhelming in term of DPS compared to his melee counterpart looking at parses. I don't think it needs a class overhaul like you're suggesting. If anything, it needs a potency buff to it's major cooldowns like Stardiver from 500 to 700 and Dragonfire dive from 300 to 500. I would also buff lance charge from 10% to 15%. This would likely put them on par with reaper.
    yeah this, DRG rotation right now is really... smooth is the best word i can say. we just lacking something oomph as the finisher, all class has this big finisher with ridiculous (700+) potency, and our stardiver which suppose? to be our big finish is just measly 500 potency

    we dont need any change, we just need potency buff
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    Demi Guul
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CyanChan View Post
    more ability and shorter cooldown means dragoon needs to do double weaving ALL THE TIME,arrange multiple actions with moving in 20 seconds.
    As a disappointed ex-MNK-main, it sounds like I should be levelling EW DRG now.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 91
    We don't need any more jobs tossed into the simplification grinder, no sir.
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