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  1. #31
    Player
    Aelin_Ashryver's Avatar
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    AST main so I have no problems with sage and the target switching is pretty standard for any healer once you are a bit more competent. Just take a breath and practice flicking between mob and player, you can also keybind to target your target's target for even easier and faster flicking!
    Sage has a lot of forgiving qualities too it imo since it has a lot of insta cast heals to allow for even easier ogcd usage and movement. I would also suggest taking a proper look at your skill tooltips, a lot of your ogcd's give a bonus 10% dmg mitigation as well. Always in dungeons aim (if dps and tank are competent) to heal solely with ogcd once you are comfortable on the job.

    AST's old sleeve draw was very busy and I loved it, I enjoy sage for not feeling like I have nothing to do as well. You just need to relax a bit and practice.
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  2. #32
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    Shironeko_Narunyan's Avatar
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    Noraneko Narunyan
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    Sophia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Running with an NPC that isn't listed as in your party makes for a pretty tough introduction to the job, too, since you have to find them on your screen, you have to "manage" your mouse cursor, and you have to click a moving target. That's making it more difficult than it has to be -- in a group, you can see what you need to see in the party list, and you can click them comfortably without having to "aim" at them.

    So, don't worry. It's actually easier once you get into it. Maybe try Holminster Switch with your Trust buddies, to get a feeling for the job. (Avatar, not Story. Thancred is sturdier than Exarch)
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  3. #33
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    Rongway's Avatar
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    Cyrillo Rongway
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan View Post
    Running with an NPC that isn't listed as in your party makes for a pretty tough introduction to the job, too, since you have to find them on your screen, you have to "manage" your mouse cursor, and you have to click a moving target. That's making it more difficult than it has to be -- in a group, you can see what you need to see in the party list, and you can click them comfortably without having to "aim" at them.

    So, don't worry. It's actually easier once you get into it. Maybe try Holminster Switch with your Trust buddies, to get a feeling for the job. (Avatar, not Story. Thancred is sturdier than Exarch)
    Set the Target Nearest NPC or Object keybind to something really easy to reach like V so you don't have to click your NPC pseudoparty members. Also Focus target them if you have overhead health bars turned off.
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  4. #34
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    Morzy's Avatar
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    Morzone Vandalfo
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    Given it a try, im not a healer main, nor do I even have much experience.
    This job just feels like total garbage.

    WHM I was ok at, Pop Medica 2, DPS, maybe a targeted heal or two, win.

    Sage has so much target switching its total chaos and both the barrier's and heals feel like they do barely anything, so far have only been trying to heal the NPC and she always drops dead pretty much the moment i target the enemy to start DPSing.

    it feels chaotic, it feels unintuitive, it feels like theres just too much going on for this to be fun. Oh right thats healing in general.

    Just what Am i supposed to do to get this job/job role to bloody work?

    And my god, all the damn target switching, having to know where my cursor is at all times with everything going on so i can click elsewhere/the NPC meanwhile AOE's everywhere and having to also heal yourself.

    I mean damn SE, Were humans, we have limits ands this just feels like there is too much going on at once and no time to react!

    I seriously dont get it at all!
    I recommend making macros with <tt> (target of target) such as this

    /micon Dosis
    /ac Dosis <tt>
    /ac Dosis <ft> (focus Target)
    /ac Dosis

    I mostly do this because it seems that to DPS is also to heal as sage, and it makes sense for me to target tank at all times and for my DPS abilities to target the tanks target.
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    Morzone Vandalfo on Siren
    Main job: SCH/MNK
    Raid job: Gathering
    PS5 based. PSN ID: natek_morzy

  5. #35
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    I recommend making macros with <tt> (target of target) such as this

    /micon Dosis
    /ac Dosis <tt>
    /ac Dosis <ft> (focus Target)
    /ac Dosis

    I mostly do this because it seems that to DPS is also to heal as sage, and it makes sense for me to target tank at all times and for my DPS abilities to target the tanks target.
    I do this for AST, because cards necessitates swapping between party members.
    It's one thing to switch from enemy to tank, but to be constantly scrolling through the party list as well makes for bad times.

    However on Sage, with healing linked to dps spells, I wouldn't want to risk it. Macroing GCDs slows you down, and in turn slows your kardia heals down. So I've forced myself to learn to swap targets.
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  6. #36
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    Larek Darkholme
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Morzy View Post
    I recommend making macros with <tt> (target of target) such as this

    /micon Dosis
    /ac Dosis <tt>
    /ac Dosis <ft> (focus Target)
    /ac Dosis

    I mostly do this because it seems that to DPS is also to heal as sage, and it makes sense for me to target tank at all times and for my DPS abilities to target the tanks target.
    If you wan to play well, it is recommended not to use macro because they have built-in cool-downs so you end up losing quite a lot of spells during one fight.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

  7. #37
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    Sylve's Avatar
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    If you wan to play well, it is recommended not to use macro because they have built-in cool-downs so you end up losing quite a lot of spells during one fight.
    The <tt> effect the macro does should be a built in UI effect for Healer DPS spells in general.
    Healers are the only role that has to be constantly switching from party to enemy and back again through an entire fight and blasting yourself with an oGCD because you hit the heal a fraction of a second before the target switch registers feels crap.

    There are a lot of players who do not feel comfortable with the excessive target switching required of a DPSing healer.
    Encouraging the usage of DPS spells through a built in <tt> effect would subtly nudge even those who currently refuse to DPS into making a habit of sending spare GCDs into damage.

    As it stands though, DPS loss be damned. I will keep using the <tt> macros on Dosis, Toxikon and Phlegma because it makes the role less of a ballache to play. Until the day they give me what i ask for at least. The moment they do that is the moment i stop using the macro, lol.
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  8. #38
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Sililos View Post
    Given it a try, im not a healer main, nor do I even have much experience.
    This job just feels like total garbage.

    WHM I was ok at, Pop Medica 2, DPS, maybe a targeted heal or two, win.

    Sage has so much target switching its total chaos and both the barrier's and heals feel like they do barely anything, so far have only been trying to heal the NPC and she always drops dead pretty much the moment i target the enemy to start DPSing.

    it feels chaotic, it feels unintuitive, it feels like theres just too much going on for this to be fun. Oh right thats healing in general.

    Just what Am i supposed to do to get this job/job role to bloody work?

    And my god, all the damn target switching, having to know where my cursor is at all times with everything going on so i can click elsewhere/the NPC meanwhile AOE's everywhere and having to also heal yourself.

    I mean damn SE, We’re humans, we have limits ands this just feels like there is too much going on at once and no time to react!

    I seriously don't get it at all!

    TY I will later once I have calmed down. 25 times seeing the NPC in the first story dungeon lose 95% HP in one blow while shielded, then lose the rest after an instant heal but before you get a chance to pop any others, gets a bit.... well Its pushed my desire to play at all too an all time low lol.

    So i think some calming down is in order for now.[
    These posts could have been written by me. I'm a healer main and I have never felt so helpless as that duty made me feel. Sage has managed to completely elude me.

    I'm hoping the tips in this thread help me wrap my head around playing Sage because it looks cool as hell.
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  9. #39
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    nighttimebunny's Avatar
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    Winter Stardust
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    I get tunnel vision when healing even with whm occasionally, I'll probably level my sage through trusts and that's it lul. I don't like healing ;-;
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