Sage - Single target damage v other healers

[Gemina]

It's not difficult to give a new healer comparable ST DPS to an existing healer. Sage is a bit different by having to augment their ST skill to make it a DoT, but it still accomplishes the exact same thing.

Sage does have Phelgma as well, which you will want to get those two charges in the raid's burst window. I think it is the highest potency attack any healer has access to with the exception of Misery, but Misery doesn't work the same way. This should give some separation but it we just have to wait and see as it is probably still a bit early to tell.

[Risvertasashi]

It's not difficult to give a new healer comparable ST DPS to an existing healer. Sage is a bit different by having to augment their ST skill to make it a DoT, but it still accomplishes the exact same thing.

Sage does have Phelgma as well, which you will want to get those two charges in the raid's burst window. I think it is the highest potency attack any healer has access to with the exception of Misery, but Misery doesn't work the same way. This should give some separation but it we just have to wait and see as it is probably still a bit early to tell.

When you adjust for cooldown time, Phlegma is the highest potency healer attack, full stop. Misery can only theoretically be used once every 90s. Phlegma's CD is half that but isn't half the potency.

And that's before you consider that Misery can't be used until 1 min 30 seconds after a fight's start at the earliest, while Phlegma is frontloaded and able to be used twice in an opener, and once every 45s thereafter. It's more comparable to assize in this way, but it outclasses assize for single target too, but assize is at least off global...

And then, there's still another difference. Misery costs 4 GCDs (so an average potency of 225), which is why it's been considered terrible for ST since even before endwalker (but if you can't avoid GCD healing, it helps make up the loss). Just spamming the (older, lower potency) glare is better, and the new glare leads even more.

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As far as healer DPS goes, I expect sage will be the strongest. But we need a bit more time and logs to know for sure.

[rewd]

When you adjust for cooldown time, Phlegma is the highest potency healer attack, full stop. Misery can only theoretically be used once every 90s. Phlegma's CD is half that but isn't half the potency.

And that's before you consider that Misery can't be used until 1 min 30 seconds after a fight's start at the earliest, while Phlegma is frontloaded and able to be used twice in an opener, and once every 45s thereafter. It's more comparable to assize in this way, but it outclasses assize for single target too, but assize is at least off global...

And then, there's still another difference. Misery costs 4 GCDs (so an average potency of 225), which is why it's been considered terrible for ST since even before endwalker (but if you can't avoid GCD healing, it helps make up the loss). Just spamming the (older, lower potency) glare is better, and the new glare leads even more.

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As far as healer DPS goes, I expect sage will be the strongest. But we need a bit more time and logs to know for sure.

How does Phlegma outclass Assize? It has more potency, but it doesn't mean anything because it's a GCD skill that replaces a Dosis , so the effective DPS gain is only 180p. Assize is also much better with 2+ targets.

[Risvertasashi]

How does Phlegma outclass Assize? It has more potency, but it doesn't mean anything because it's a GCD skill that replaces a Dosis , so the effective DPS gain is only 180p. Assize is also much better with 2+ targets.

This thread is discussing single target DPS, which is the most relevant in raid settings. That said, I do acknowledge the limitations in comparisons. Assize is off global, Phlegma is GCD, and Misery is 4x GCD. I still think Phlegma is very strong.

Assize and Misery are both very good in casual/dungeon settings.

[rewd]

This thread is discussing single target DPS, which is the most relevant in raid settings. That said, I do acknowledge the limitations in comparisons. Assize is off global, Phlegma is GCD, and Misery is 4x GCD. I still think Phlegma is very strong.

Assize and Misery are both very good in casual/dungeon settings.

I know this is about ST. You said that Phlegma outclasses Assize but you didn't reply to my question. Phlegma is strong and I agree, but it isn't better than Assize.