Monk Positionals 6.0

[Yokubo]

Just within this threat we've seen people who openly admit they aren't playing the job saying that they've been wanting the positional requirements removed. Though beyond that it's impossible to quantify, and I highly doubt anyone has been making spreadsheets that show if someone mains the job and if they support the removal of the requirements.

*Frantically searching for my years of spreadsheet data on US and JP server forums over the debate of Monk positionals*

[Andy_T93]

Just within this threat we've seen people who openly admit they aren't playing the job saying that they've been wanting the positional requirements removed. Though beyond that it's impossible to quantify, and I highly doubt anyone has been making spreadsheets that show if someone mains the job and if they support the removal of the requirements.

Absolutely it can't be so lets stay away from sweeping statements assuming the majority arbitrarily agree your stance

[wereotter]

Absolutely it can't be so lets stay away from sweeping statements assuming the majority arbitrarily agree your stance

We can see that the retention of positional attacks has the greater community support when you look through monk threads, even just this one, and see that people arguing to retain them have more up votes than people who say they should be (or are happy that they are) removed. Yes forum users are only a subset of the community, and no one is saying if they main the job or not, but the stance of keeping the requirements had more support than removing them.

[Mikey_R]

With the greatest respect, where is your data, where are you getting this belief that the vast majority of people who want positionals removed don't play the job?

Because every single time this topic comes up it is always the same argument. I would play Monk but positionals push me away. You rarely see a Monk main who has played the job for an extended period say, while I do enjoy Monk, I wish it's positionals were removed/lessened.

You can apply the same logic to any job. I'm sure yourself has a job that you do not like to play. Do you often wonder, if only X was changed or Y removed, I might play that job. That is exactly what is happening here. No, we cannot claim to know the whims of everyone, I'm sure there are plenty of people who are indifferent, however, their opinion doesn't contribute to the discussion one way or the other as they just do not care.

SO really, following the logic and the consistency between the countless threads, yes, it is the players who do not play Monk because of positionals who want positionals removed so that they can play Monk whilst disregarding what the actual people who play Monk want.

[VentVanitas]

Welp. Horde mentality won out in the end. Because accepting that you have to try on a job to do decent on it is apparently too overwhelming. Have fun with MNK I suppose, because it's certainly no longer made for the people who've been playing it for the past decade.

I think I'll just save myself a headache and go play BLM.

[Jirah]

Welp. Horde mentality won out in the end. Because accepting that you have to try on a job to do decent on it is apparently too overwhelming. Have fun with MNK I suppose, because it's certainly no longer made for the people who've been playing it for the past decade.

I think I'll just save myself a headache and go play BLM.

dont they always? whens the last beneficial change they made to the game that didnt make it accessibile to the horde

[jerome15]

Because every single time this topic comes up it is always the same argument. I would play Monk but positionals push me away. You rarely see a Monk main who has played the job for an extended period say, while I do enjoy Monk, I wish it's positionals were removed/lessened.

You can apply the same logic to any job. I'm sure yourself has a job that you do not like to play. Do you often wonder, if only X was changed or Y removed, I might play that job. That is exactly what is happening here. No, we cannot claim to know the whims of everyone, I'm sure there are plenty of people who are indifferent, however, their opinion doesn't contribute to the discussion one way or the other as they just do not care.

SO really, following the logic and the consistency between the countless threads, yes, it is the players who do not play Monk because of positionals who want positionals removed so that they can play Monk whilst disregarding what the actual people who play Monk want.

and to add to that if they take away the positionals and those people do try it, there's no telling that they will even like the class and now the monk playerbase lost more people because they removed an aspect that people liked and played the class for

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Why the heck remove an additional two positional on the job!? That makes me really sad to see I was so looking forward to monk even while being sad at losing two already. This is really sad, the extra movement required was part of what made monk fun and unique compared to other melee

[Mikey_R]

dont they always? whens the last beneficial change they made to the game that didnt make it accessibile to the horde

Except the scales were tipped more towards keeping positionals, I believe this was even the case in the JP forums as well, so I really do not see how they thought that removing positionals was what was actually desired.

[Andy_T93]

and to add to that if they take away the positionals and those people do try it, there's no telling that they will even like the class and now the monk playerbase lost more people because they removed an aspect that people liked and played the class for

But there is equal chance that they will love and people will flock to it, so again lets stop making up hypotheticals to support our stance