Goodbye Nocturnal Sect, Goodbye my world

[lisaa]

You will be dearly missed

And the pretty stars which light up the sky as I waver between the sects will never be seen again

"With every end comes a new beginning", but there is no beginning when something is gone, it is just gone

Even your portrait is proscribed, defiled by grey and red.

Good! They said. Diurnal is better. What fools. It is not just one but both removed. Gone too is Diurnal. The sun only rises when the sky is dark after all, and there is no need for one sect when the other is gone.

asdf

Once we had three cards and two sects, now only one and none.

[Misutoraru]

You will be dearly missed

And the pretty stars which light up the sky as I waver between the sects will never be seen again

"With every end comes a new beginning", but there is no beginning when something is gone, it is just gone

Even your portrait is proscribed, defiled by grey and red.

Good! They said. Diurnal is better. What fools. It is not just one but both removed. Gone too is Diurnal. The sun only rises when the sky is dark after all, and there is no need for one sect when the other is gone.

asdf

Once we had three cards and two sects, now only one and none.

As a Keeper of the moon playing the Diurnal sect is against my nature and my believe.

Joke aside, this removal of Nocturnal sect is the last straw for me, dumping down the card already weaken our identity, and with Nocturnal gone. I don’t feel I am the same AST as I fall in love with back in HW.

May be a good excuse to try out Sage

[Liam_Harper]

I know some people liked Noct sect and I respect their opinion on what they found most enjoyable. Hopefully they can find some fun in Sage or still enjoy the current AST.

But speaking personally, for me Noct can rot. I won't miss it one bit. It was the rubbish lower-potency noodle stance that I always resented on the rare occasions I had to use it. It was the bad player trap, the "oh, I have a WHM co-heal in this easy MSQ content, I better go Noodle Sect and spam Asp-Does-Barely-Anything". Noct is only better if you need constant shielding, which is far too rare. I hated Noct.

Personal opinion of course.

[Doragan]

It always were my favourite sect tbh. I really enjoyed the instant single shield and being a shield and having access to helios/medica.

That being said, what I will lament the most was Nocturnal Celestial Intersection. A free, oGCD regen which last 15 seconds, every 30 seconds?? This was insanely good imo.

At least neutral sect is still a thing. I think AST lore has truly been thrown off the window for good this time however. RIP

[Recon1o6]

I know some people liked Noct sect and I respect their opinion on what they found most enjoyable. Hopefully they can find some fun in Sage or still enjoy the current AST.

But speaking personally, for me Noct can rot. I won't miss it one bit. It was the rubbish lower-potency noodle stance that I always resented on the rare occasions I had to use it. It was the bad player trap, the "oh, I have a WHM co-heal in this easy MSQ content, I better go Noodle Sect and spam Asp-Does-Barely-Anything". Noct is only better if you need constant shielding, which is far too rare. I hated Noct.

Personal opinion of course.

So here's the big question
Instead of removing it for a regen/barrier distinction that doesn't actually exist, why couldn't it have been buffed to bring it up to diurnal's strength?

[Misutoraru]

It always were my favourite sect tbh. I really enjoyed the instant single shield and being a shield and having access to helios/medica.

That being said, what I will lament the most was Nocturnal Celestial Intersection. A free, oGCD regen which last 15 seconds, every 30 seconds?? This was insanely good imo.

At least neutral sect is still a thing. I think AST lore has truly been thrown off the window for good this time however. RIP

my love of Nocturnal Sect is unconditional, simple because it is Nocturnal Sect. I love it not because how weak/strong it was but the lore of AST

[Silver-Strider]

So here's the big question
Instead of removing it for a regen/barrier distinction that doesn't actually exist, why couldn't it have been buffed to bring it up to diurnal's strength?

They tried that and it made AST's shields stronger than SCH's. It was impossible to balance it properly as a result.

[Rilifane]

So here's the big question
Instead of removing it for a regen/barrier distinction that doesn't actually exist, why couldn't it have been buffed to bring it up to diurnal's strength?

They had years to do that and failed time after time to balance it with Diurnal and the other to healers.
Time to admit defeat and delete it.

[Enla]

So here's the big question
Instead of removing it for a regen/barrier distinction that doesn't actually exist, why couldn't it have been buffed to bring it up to diurnal's strength?

As others have said, Noct basically made the healers impossible to balance when paired with SE's design philosophy surrounding healing in FF14. It was actively holding back healer design as a whole because every little change to AST could have a rippling effect and make SCH or WHM irrelevant in some way. In any other game this would likely not have been much of a problem, but when the design team already has issues with healer concepts to begin with it basically was just one big old monkey wrench that could never be reliably fixed.

Personally the only time I found Noct useful was during dungeon pulls with undergeared tanks. Specifically in Bardam's Mettle during a few of those long pulls. Beyond that though? It really wasn't very useful and actively gave me grey hair as a SCH main back before SCH was pumped so full of oGCDs that we no longer cared about our shields being constantly overwritten.

[Gemina]

You will be dearly missed

And the pretty stars which light up the sky as I waver between the sects will never be seen again

"With every end comes a new beginning", but there is no beginning when something is gone, it is just gone

Even your portrait is proscribed, defiled by grey and red.

Good! They said. Diurnal is better. What fools. It is not just one but both removed. Gone too is Diurnal. The sun only rises when the sky is dark after all, and there is no need for one sect when the other is gone.

asdf

Once we had three cards and two sects, now only one and none.

You're losing the animation of going into Noct and Diurnal. That is the most you are losing from this skill being deleted. You have my condolences, but the inferior stance is gone, and you're better off. Welcome to Diurnal AST!