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    Nicodemus_Mercy's Avatar
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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    The fact there are dps jobs that suit your needs is great. But why does the entire Healer ROLE need to do the same? Can't there be at least one healer that requires some high APM for those of us looking for a faster pace. Dps jobs vary so much in the amount of intricacy and it really makes me envious.
    Maybe Sage will turn out to be that type of healer, but ultimately... the role is to be a Healer first and foremost. All the "intricacy" should revolve around healing. Obviously SE would need to make some fundamental adjustments to how content is designed so that healing was necessary much more of the time than it currently is, but I'd rather SE devout time and resources to making healing more interesting for Healers rather than devoting time and resources to expanding the dps aspect (unless that dps aspect is part of how the healing happens such as in Sage's case).
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    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

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    WaxSw's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    Maybe Sage will turn out to be that type of healer, but ultimately... the role is to be a Healer first and foremost. All the "intricacy" should revolve around healing. Obviously SE would need to make some fundamental adjustments to how content is designed so that healing was necessary much more of the time than it currently is, but I'd rather SE devout time and resources to making healing more interesting for Healers rather than devoting time and resources to expanding the dps aspect (unless that dps aspect is part of how the healing happens such as in Sage's case).
    The problem of that is that healing is situational, if the fight needs little to no healing then all the intricacy goes to waste, same happens when a healer becomes good as we want to be efficient and that imply using the less resources possible, in other words, interacting with the healing kit less so once again the intricacy goes to waste. If the fight needs more healing is when that design could work but in order to make that consistent the game's damage would have to increase a lot, intimidating a lot of the newer and less experienced healers, something the devs doesnt want.

    In the way the game currently works dps be it by buffs, interactions within the kit, cooldowns and such is the way to go as its the only way to have something that you can interact with consistently on any kind of content without increasing the hps requirements of the game on all the content

    And then there is the whole problem of having all the healers play the same which shoudnt happen in any design but somehow devs think its ok
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    The problem of that is that healing is situational, if the fight needs little to no healing then all the intricacy goes to waste, same happens when a healer becomes good as we want to be efficient and that imply using the less resources possible, in other words, interacting with the healing kit less so once again the intricacy goes to waste.
    I'm also honestly not seeing all that "healing intricacy", even if there were any content that made you use your entire kit.

    Let's be honest, a vast majority of our healing abilities are just "press to heal for X potency", a stand-alone fire and forget skill, no interaction with anything else in your kit... I wouldn't exactly call that intricate.
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    Liam Harper
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    And I need to use macros to make RDM and BRD comfortably playable for me (I'm old and have hand issues).
    Which is absolutely fine. But it isn't fair that class design should be centered around the few with hand issues or other difficulties when the bulk of content is already designed to cater for this. Even if they added a few more dps buttons, you could stroll through MSQ and Normal barely using them and get by just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    Maybe Sage will turn out to be that type of healer, but ultimately... the role is to be a Healer first and foremost. All the "intricacy" should revolve around healing.
    There is no rule on this. "Healers should only HEAL" is a player invented concept. Sure, healers should heal first so people don't die, that's obvious, but why must the depth end there? What if you master healing and you want to contribute even more and you can? That makes classes more interesting and always gives you a goal to strive for.
    Ideally the average player can just heal and maybe mash random dps if there's nothing to do and that's plenty. But the skilled player could aim even further. In this way, both types of players are satisfied and even the casual player might one day find they can push their class even further.

    Also "All the "intricacy" should revolve around healing." is something I hear a lot from people who like simple dps, but it's often only the dps healers who actually seem to bother with intricate healing. Such as developing a healing oGCD map or plan for the entire fight, coordinating with your co-heal, knowing the HoT's and buff icons, timers, toolkit, ground heals and so on of the other healers so you don't conflict or overheal, fast reactions with burst heals within a second or two when mistakes happen before a raidwide, understanding how Living Dead actually works and so on.
    Many healers who speak about wanting to heal just spam Medica II and Cure III and pat themselves on the back for "doing their job" without understanding what intricate healing really means.
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