FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Velnora]

A swearing filter does not preclude you from acting civil. The inclusion of a filter is not open invitation to have a foul mouth.

So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing? If someone is going to go out of there way to report someone for swearing, but not enable the filter, that just tells me they are being petty. Or rather, acting in bad faith.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing? If someone is going to go out of there way to report someone for swearing, but not enable the filter, that just tells me they are being petty.

Filters are terrible because they take no context. Bastard sword will be censored in a lot of games, even when it's a weapon.

Also, likely 99% of people getting banned for swearing don't get banned for saying "shit" when they die. They get banned for going on tirades against others while swearing profusely.

It amuses me how much the "gcbtw" crowd on the forums fear mongers over the ToS though.

[Kaurhz]

So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing?

It's an additional countermeasure for profanity. You don't just have a singular deterrent. If they used the profanity filter as the singular means of deterring people from it, without the inclusion of rules or consequences then people will only seek for ways to bypass the profanity filter, be it with other slurs or alternative and creative use of words or structure. I've seen plenty of people attempt to go through a profanity filter. Be it within this game, or other forums and games,

Profanity filters are not without fault, that is the point. Once again, not intended to be used as a singular deterrent.

[Velnora]

It's an additional countermeasure for profanity. You don't just have a singular deterrent. If they used the profanity filter as the singular means of deterring people from it, without the inclusion of rules or consequences then people will only seek for ways to bypass the profanity filter, be it with other slurs or alternative and creative use of words or structure. I've seen plenty of people attempt to go through a profanity filter. Be it within this game, or other forums and games,

Profanity filters are not without fault, that is the point. Once again, not intended to be used as a singular deterrent.

So because the filter can be bypassed by creative individuals, which I imagine is a very small portion of swearing that occurs in-game, that somehow makes them not efficient? I'm sorry, but that sounds an awful lot like grasping for straws. This is equivalent to someone not getting vaccinated because it's not 100% effective, then complaining when they get hospitalized.

[Kaurhz]

So because the filter can be bypassed by creative individuals, which I imagine is a very small portion of swearing that occurs in-game, that somehow makes them not efficient? I'm sorry, but that sounds an awful lot like grasping for straws.

That was merely a single example, besides the fact that a vast majority of algorithms used in profanity filters are actually quite inefficient. I'm not so sure what part of "Shouldn't be used as a singular deterrent" you didn't grasp.

You don't simply allow or deny the use of them within the terms simply on the basis that someone may or may not be using a profanity filter. It's just 1 method of 'content' moderation. As someone highlighted they don't take into account the context which is the issue. Like I said, the inclusion of a filter does not preclude you from acting moderately civil. If they removed the potential to report and thus get someone banned because of a profanity filter then a majority of people would just take liberties with it.

Hardly anything about reaching for the straws with that comment. But go ahead make another attempt at trying to justify the use of foul language.

[Velnora]

That was merely a single example, besides the fact that a vast majority of algorithms used in profanity filters are actually quite inefficient. I'm not so sure what part of "Shouldn't be used as a singular deterrent" you didn't grasp.

You don't simply allow or deny the use of them within the terms simply on the basis that someone may or may not be using a profanity filter. It's just 1 method of 'content' moderation. As someone highlighted they don't take into account the context which is the issue.

Hardly anything about reaching for the straws with that comment. But go ahead make another attempt at trying to justify the use of foul language.

It does not need justification. If someone doesn't like swearing, they can use the filter. If an individual tries to circumvent the filter, then yes, they should be reported. The filter is quite effective at blocking f bombs and the like, so I don't know what you're going off of.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It does not need justification. If someone doesn't like swearing, they can use the filter. If an individual tries to circumvent the filter, then yes, they should be reported. The filter is quite effective at blocking f bombs and the like, so I don't know what you're going off of.

Is this the equivalent of "well, if he didn't want to get shot, he should have warn a bulletproof vest"?

[Velnora]

Is this the equivalent of "well, if he didn't want to get shot, he should have warn a bulletproof vest"?

No, that would be a false equivalency.

[Kaurhz]

It does not need justification. If someone doesn't like swearing, they can use the filter. If an individual tries to circumvent the filter, then yes, they should be reported.

Yes, and if someone doesn't like your foul mouth, then they can report you, it's a simple as that. Aside from the fact that in the majority of cases the entirety of the context will be taken into account, so the probability that you get banned solely on using a profanity is a very difficult feat. in the majority of cases where people will and do get banned is because they're incapable of discerning the fine line where something is quite literally harassment and just simply swearing because you failed a mechanic.

Personally if someone pops a profanity I don't pay it any mind, but the moment I see it as harassment then I report it, simple as.

This whole "I think I can be banned for merely swearing", or "I can get banned simply for giving advice" is really getting beyond the point of comedy.

[MilkieTea]

So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing? If someone is going to go out of there way to report someone for swearing, but not enable the filter, that just tells me they are being petty.

The filter is a bit dumb in that certain words that are innocuous will get caught into it.

I think of it like this: If someone opens their windows, they don't expect to get smacked in the face by someone blowing leaves around in their front yard. Should they keep their window closed at all times, or should the person blowing leaves attempt to not blow it into the front yard of their neighbor?