FF14 is not made for hardcore players.

[Rinhi]

It happens in WoW too, at least in extreme cases. It's just more tolerated there I guess. I don't really understand what the big deal is though. Just...don't curse? I curse outside of the game more than I probably should, but putting my filter on while playing an MMO isn't difficult by any means.

some people might curse out of sheer habit when they make a mistake and/or get annoyed at themselves - and it's no big deal either to not blow a single expletive out of proportion when it's aimed at nobody or just themselves
I could very well say, just don't report? because most, if not everyone, has cursed in their life at one point, and reporting someone because they used it because they made a mistake, is very very very petty and childish, in my eyes

I did actually remember a game which bans you for minor things if you're unlucky: rocket league! I got banned for calling myself a dumb idiot on there, once! didn't even use a swear word

[Vahlnir]

some people might curse out of sheer habit when they make a mistake and/or get annoyed at themselves - and it's no big deal either to not blow a single expletive out of proportion when it's aimed at nobody or just themselves
I could very well say, just don't report? because most, if not everyone, has cursed in their life at one point, and reporting someone because they used it because they made a mistake, is very very very petty and childish, in my eyes

I did actually remember a game which bans you for minor things if you're unlucky: rocket league! I got banned for calling myself a dumb idiot on there, once! didn't even use a swear word

I curse out of habit too, probably to the point that a drunken sailor would look at me in complete disgust. That doesn't give me any excuse to toss an expletive out at random in game or on these forums, knowing full well that it's against the ToS. And I would probably never report anyone for swearing unless they take it to certain extremes. Seriously, I truly don't care 99.99999% of the time. I think a lot of people feel this way. But the simplest solution is still the best one. Just don't do it.

[Rinhi]

I curse out of habit too, probably to the point that a drunken sailor would look at me in complete disgust. That doesn't give me any excuse to toss an expletive out at random in game or on these forums, knowing full well that it's against the ToS. And I would probably never report anyone for swearing unless they take it to certain extremes. Seriously, I truly don't care 99.99999% of the time. I think a lot of people feel this way. But the simplest solution is still the best one. Just don't do it.

neither would I, report someone for something minor like that or curse ingame, but from various experiences, we know that there's many people who do both, sadly

[Galasomeone]

Swearing isn't anything like an issue in this game really. Yes it can get you banned but if you do it once in a while accidentally the chances of you getting a ban for it are extremely low. Mostly doesn't bother me at all unless every other word that comes out of someone is a swear word or they are constantly using filthy metaphors. Or using one for a name.

What does bother me though happened early in this thread. Claiming that age has no effect on reaction time. OH YES IT DOES. When I starting gaming I was in my late 30's/early 40's. Im now 60+ and my current reaction time frustrates me no end because it's so much slower. After around age 55 it began to really become apparent and here 10 years later, well I can't do anything about it so I just settle for simply not being as fast, which usually means not as good. But I do still learn so there's that. New stuff does not become clear to me as quickly as it did "back then" either but I still seem to learn many things quicker than some younger people, just not everything and not as quickly as I'd like or as quickly as I once did. But again, I can do nothing at all about it. If I really want to get better I practice, and if I don't, then I do something else. I play games to have fun. Learning is fun; being around a bunch of toxic people isn't fun.

[Velnora]

It's so weird how people would report for swearing, when there is a filter. If they cared so much about swearing, one would think they would use it. Seems as though they just look for a reason to report someone.

[Lunalepsy]

Amidst all the back-and-forth about how players should spend time getting better at the game and how long grinds are completely reasonable, what is lost is that Yoshi P designed this game to be casual, family-friendly, and inclusive.

This does not mean that hardcore content should be removed or reduced.

What this means is that you should not expect hardcore performance from all players outside of hardcore content like Extreme trials. You should not expect everyone to want to or be able to "git gud" or improve. You should not demand story and side content that are not supposed to be hardcore to not offer casual players an alternative way to enjoy (with the understanding that they will not get the same loot as hardcore players).

Again, nothing in this means that hardcore content should be removed or reduced. Rather, it means that you should not expect the game and the game culture/environment to revolve around hardcore play.

In some of my recent threads expressing my worry that the loud minority of hardcore players may be signaling a skewed representation of the player base and cause biased expectations among the dev team, I received many thoughtful comments, but also many toxic and mean-spirited comments. I'll not name names but here are a few:

1.

I'm sorry but I found this hilarous, I cleared lastnight [...] two words;

Git Gud.

2.

If you have time to write bad troll posts like this, you have time to gitgud

3.

Age doesn’t diminish reaction time nor brain power and capacity. Certainly not by the age of 42.... here’s an idea OP. Get better at the game

(actually it does, and quite significantly)



The toxicity aside, what this shows is that players expect Extreme/Savage-level competence from casual players, which is clearly not what the game is designed to do and not what the target player base is. In fact, Yoshi P himself expressed similar concerns.

https://www.siliconera.com/final-fan...-future-plans/

"Yoshida is turning 44-years-old next year, but he feels that he won’t be able to make high-tempo action games when he hits around 60. That said, an MMORPG that you can relax and enjoy would be perfect."

Yes, you heard that right, FF14 is an MMORPG that is designed to let you relax and enjoy. You should not be expecting that everyone playing this game is playing it as if it's a high-tempo action game. Many players, including myself, play this game to relax, not to stress about story being locked behind difficult content.

Additionally, no, not everyone has the privilege of spending time at improving at the game. Many of the comments I've received ask me to spend time improving.

1.

If you don't have the time to learn how to play the game, you don't have time to play the game.

2.

Have you ever thought that you’re just lazy? You say things are hard. Yes then you practice the fight until you have managed the fight.

But Yoshi P designed this game to be suited to players who are not hardcore.

https://www.cgmagonline.com/2015/03/...-with-yoshi-p/

I quote:

"During the release of Final Fantasy XI, it was considered the first generation of MMOs. Back then you were not able to do anything alone. Like, you can’t do any sort of solo play. You had to gather a party, you had to stand there to shout out and gather a group of people. That alone could take an hour. Then you had to walk over to whatever dungeon or quest with your party, and then you can’t come back for another four hours. That took a long time, but that also contributed to why it was so addicting. But now, people’s lives have become so busy, and there are just so many things to do that you can’t really allocate that chunk of time to play an online game. So when it came to Final Fantasy XIV we have taken that into consideration."

You heard that right, this game isn't catered towards hardcore players who can dedicate hours upon hours each day. It's for players like me who can only play a few hours a week. Do people seriously expect Extreme/Savage-level competence from players who only play super casually and likely quit once in a while? In fact, that's exactly what Yoshi P expects:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...otivation_and/

"It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

Instead, what we see on the forums is the loud minority that expects players to be playing this game several hours a day and expect pro players to be participating in what is supposed to be casual content like Bozja. Of course, you can't see how intimidating Castrum Lacus Litore or Red Comet is if you've put thousands of hours into this game already. But keep in mind this game is not made for hardcore hours or hardcore players. If you're expecting everyone to find Extreme level mechanics a cakewalk knowing that many players may have just returned to the game or only play a few hours a week you either have ridiculously high expectations or are not taking into account that players in this game are of different ages (and will maybe have worse reaction times), may be neuroatypical or have disabilities (and can therefore find certain specific mechanics overly hard).

If you're here to tell me just to "git gud", then I guess my point is completely lost on you.

Can we go back to games where skills and determination matter instead of dancing with mechanics and memorizing scripts?

[Velnora]

Can we go back to games where skills and determination matter instead of dancing with mechanics and memorizing scripts?

PvE has always been memorizing scripts and dancing with mechanics.

[DkFusion]

While this post means well and I see the direction of the post...it reverts back to a continually progressing problem all over the world - "We can't have both"

Every thing is about black, white, brown, republican, democrat, communist, gay, straight, girl, boy, etc etc. The point being a video game doesn't need to be defined as "One or the other".

Hardcore players pushing casual players to play at a hardcore tempo, and casual players beating the brows of hardcore players that this game should be beat at their tempo.

It has and always will be a mute point. The majority of content is for the most part considered solo-casual in terms of effort, time and difficulty depending on what your definition (That's right...YOUR DEFINITION) of what hard, time consuming content is.

Instead of accepting everyone has a role here, a slice of the game so to speak, everyone tries to take ownership of the game as if it somehow validates why they play the game. Just play the game and accept that it does a great job in providing quality to a wide range of players.

[Kaurhz]

It's so weird how people would report for swearing, when there is a filter. If they cared so much about swearing, one would think they would use it. Seems as though they just look for a reason to report someone.

A swearing filter does not preclude you from acting civil. The inclusion of a filter is not open invitation to have a foul mouth.

[Velnora]

A swearing filter does not preclude you from acting civil. The inclusion of a filter is not open invitation to have a foul mouth.

So then, what is the point of the filter, if not for people that do not like seeing swearing? If someone is going to go out of there way to report someone for swearing, but not enable the filter, that just tells me they are being petty. Or rather, acting in bad faith.