On Extreme Role-playing Within XIV

[DPZ2]

From experience, I cannot provide examples of from 14. In other mmos it's not too hard to find non-cringey rp. The two that come to mind are ESO and LoTRO (atleast when I played years ago.) SWTOR in its prime was also pretty decent. Then again two of those have pretty decent pvp system to assist with more confrontational rp.

Therein lies the crux of your current dilemma. Successful confrontational RP, incorporating themes of xenophobia for example, require an MMO with an "us vs. them" mentality between game players where the RP theme is a reflection of the game mechanics themselves: hatred of the "other", whether it be Horde vs. Alliance in WoW, the Three Alliances in ESO, or Jedi vs. Sith in SWTOR.

As you've mentioned, this game does not have that sort of "us vs. them" mentality, which is reflected in PvP, which is reflected in player attitudes toward confrontational RP.


Also, you really need to polish your argument. When asked to provide an example of a non-cringey RP character, you obfuscate by mentioning MMOs where you didn't think things cringey. Not the same thing.

[Bobby66]

Therein lies the crux of your current dilemma. Successful confrontational RP, incorporating themes of xenophobia for example, require an MMO with an "us vs. them" mentality between game players where the RP theme is a reflection of the game mechanics themselves: hatred of the "other", whether it be Horde vs. Alliance in WoW, the Three Alliances in ESO, or Jedi vs. Sith in SWTOR.

As you've mentioned, this game does not have that sort of "us vs. them" mentality, which is reflected in PvP, which is reflected in player attitudes toward confrontational RP.


Also, you really need to polish your argument. When asked to provide an example of a non-cringey RP character, you obfuscate by mentioning MMOs where you didn't think things cringey. Not the same thing.

That is an interesting view, and I can see the point cause the cases of confrontational RP are in games and worlds where it does foster an us verse them storyline from the start. Though it does make me wonder is that also the reason people that create such characters are judged to be assholes just based around a character they have created. I can see why the game world would not foster such types of RP, but where does the divide come when people who engage in fringe type of RP are for the most part are ostracized by virtue of their character, not just the character itself but they themselves. As noted in the thread people who have x character are assholes / jerks.

I do get the line of reasoning why someone may not want to engage in such RP, but I do nto get the reasoning as to why someone should view another person as an simple by virtue of a character they created. I do not think people would feel it is reasonable for me to say I think all barkeeps are assholes because I disagree with that type of RP. Forgot to mention one more thing, the thing is FFXIV story does tackle more darker themes, so it is not something the community has been exposed too. Also as a community to mock certain races all the time with our memes. They are characters, and as many have mentioned yes RP can be used as means to wave away any aggression and can be used to willfully harm people I agree, but should bad actors detract and thus be the reason why everyone that engages in fringe style of RP as unreasonable monsters.

It is all fictional, none of it is real sure it can be used to harm but even then that requires the person to willfully take offense and view such attacks on a character as a personal attack which should never be the case in RP.

[DPZ2]

It is all fictional, none of it is real sure it can be used to harm but even then that requires the person to willfully take offense and view such attacks on a character as a personal attack which should never be the case in RP.

In an RP setting within an MMO, we become our Avatar. Unfortunately, certain behaviors can be perceived as attacks. Such attacks, without consent by all parties involved, may be taken personally. And rightly so.

The key in all events that involve more than one person is informed consent. If I know what someone else intends and agree to it, I cannot take offense. Such is the basis for any number of RP events.

When we are anticipating an evening of light conversation in Costa del Sol with friends, we do not expect to be rounded up and dragged off to Garlemald as slaves. Unless, of course, all involved have agreed that such behaviours are within the parameters of the RP event. When we are anticipating a fight event between warring tribes of Miqo'te, showing up dressed for a beach party could be outside the parameters of the RP event, and as disruptive as the first example.

Most RP events I've encountered are pretty light and angst-free. It's fun to meet up with friends and acquaintances in-game, to chat and to develop RP skills. Sharing your Avatar's story isn't easy without practice.

[Zsolen]

In an RP setting within an MMO, we become our Avatar. Unfortunately, certain behaviors can be perceived as attacks. Such attacks, without consent by all parties involved, may be taken personally. And rightly so.

You aren't your character.

No one is suggesting your character is forced to play slave. I have not seen anything like that in this conversation.

[DPZ2]

You aren't your character.

No one is suggesting your character is forced to play slave. I have not seen anything like that in this conversation.

It was an extreme example of why consent matters when one wishes to play darker roles in RP, which has been relevant to the conversation from the beginning.

When someone believes that darker conflict RP for which they are not prepared does not affect them personally because "we are not our Avatar", they've never been on the receiving end of such RP.

[Zsolen]

It was an extreme example of why consent matters when one wishes to play darker roles in RP, which has been relevant to the conversation from the beginning.

When someone believes that darker conflict RP for which they are not prepared does not affect them personally because "we are not our Avatar", they've never been on the receiving end of such RP.

It's an extreme example, because it doesn't happen. No one can force you to play slave.

I've seen all sorts of people RP. It's not hard to go with the flow. Only harassment is an issue. Actual RP is not the same as that.

[DPZ2]

It's an extreme example, because it doesn't happen. No one can force you to play slave.

I've seen all sorts of people RP. It's not hard to go with the flow. Only harassment is an issue. Actual RP is not the same as that.

It's not forcing someone to play slave, it's deliberately turning the course of the RP event into something darker because "you want to".

[ItMe]

No one can force you to play slave.

No one can force you, but they can sure try.
I have literally left an RP because someone tried to force me to play a slave.

[Bobby66]

In an RP setting within an MMO, we become our Avatar. Unfortunately, certain behaviors can be perceived as attacks. Such attacks, without consent by all parties involved, may be taken personally. And rightly so.

The key in all events that involve more than one person is informed consent. If I know what someone else intends and agree to it, I cannot take offense. Such is the basis for any number of RP events.

When we are anticipating an evening of light conversation in Costa del Sol with friends, we do not expect to be rounded up and dragged off to Garlemald as slaves. Unless, of course, all involved have agreed that such behaviours are within the parameters of the RP event. When we are anticipating a fight event between warring tribes of Miqo'te, showing up dressed for a beach party could be outside the parameters of the RP event, and as disruptive as the first example.

Most RP events I've encountered are pretty light and angst-free. It's fun to meet up with friends and acquaintances in-game, to chat and to develop RP skills. Sharing your Avatar's story isn't easy without practice.

Your example seems to be on the lines of god moding which is just poor rp. Also i have to disagree that we become our avatar when we RP but i could see if someone does become their avatar in RP why it may cause problems.

[DPZ2]

Your example seems to be on the lines of god moding which is just poor rp. Also i have to disagree that we become our avatar when we RP but i could see if someone does become their avatar in RP why it may cause problems.

Which example? There are two.

The first is an extreme example, to be sure, but not poor RP when done properly (ie. with extensive planning beforehand and consent from all parties). I expect it is way out of the comfort zone for most players. Or, perhaps not, given the anecdotes about RP on other MMORPGs in this thread. It would definitely not be good as a one-shot event.

The second is on the other end of the spectrum; annoying and disruptive, but relatively harmless.