I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

[EaraGrace]

I miss the time when you see two girls or two boys supporting each other, you see them as friends of each other. Nowadays, everything seems needing to have some sort of hidden political messages in people's eyes.

How revealing is it to think including non heterosexual couples ina game is political statement. Really telling on yourself there

[Alestorm]

How revealing is it to think including non heterosexual couples ina game is political statement. Really telling on yourself there

It's a pendulum that swings both ways, we've hit a point where people no longer can see friendships in most forms of media and only seem to want to see something more than it most likely is. Look at Animal Crossing, 2 NPCs admit they work together and even refer to each other as partners and yet all people seem to see is "OMG THEY'RE SUPER GAY!!1!". It's just shallow and the highest form of grabbing a straws.

[Izscha]

How revealing is it to think including non heterosexual couples ina game is political statement. Really telling on yourself there

You might be clueless about the world we live in if you do believe that it's not a political statement of any sort.
The world isn't the US nor the western world which is a minority in it when it comes down to numbers, and there was and there will have a LOT of debate about it in the years to come.
Like it or not doesn't change much about this issue either, and being aggresive towards those who are aware of that doesn't help at all, but w/e it's pretty common nowadays to have this kind of comment especially in this english-speaking world.

[Momo_Kozuki]

How revealing is it to think including non heterosexual couples ina game is political statement. Really telling on yourself there

Because that is exactly what this thread is doing: make everything look like they have some kind of political message. A rainbow crystal is not necessarily a LGBT+ promotion. Two girls becoming close friends and risk their lives for each other is not necessary a gay relationship. I doubt such things going through the head of the writers when they develop the story, and it is just the OP thinks everything with rainbow is a message for the sake of LGBT+.



Honestly, I don't mind if Ryne and Gaia turn gay and live together happily ever after, but until I see a clear evidence that they are more than just best friends, they are just a pair of best friends in my eyes. You are free to think otherwise.

[Izscha]

Because that is exactly what this thread is doing: make everything look like they have some kind of political message. A rainbow crystal is not necessarily a LGBT+ promotion. Two girls becoming close friends and risk their lives for each other is not necessary a gay relationship. I doubt such things going through the head of the writers when they develop the story, and it is just the OP thinks everything with rainbow is a message for the sake of LGBT+.



Honestly, I don't mind if Ryne and Gaia turn gay and live together happily ever after, but until I see a clear evidence that they are more than just best friends, they are just a pair of best friends in my eyes. You are free to think otherwise.

This.

Same, you're free to think and believe whatever you want BUT you have no right to push on others what only you believe.
As long as you keep that to yourself and dont talk about it as the truth and that everyone must believe it too, i won't have any problem with it.
We have no proof whatsoever about that, and we dont need it it's open to everyone to believe what they want about it, i see them as friends and nothing more based on i've seen, you're free to disagree but i wont push it to you that they're friend and you must think they are, so dont try to push what you believe on me.

[EaraGrace]

It's a pendulum that swings both ways, we've hit a point where people no longer can see friendships in most forms of media and only seem to want to see something more than it most likely is. Look at Animal Crossing, 2 NPCs admit they work together and even refer to each other as partners and yet all people seem to see is "OMG THEY'RE SUPER GAY!!1!". It's just shallow and the highest form of grabbing a straws.

Wow thats awful and totally not something people do with hetero pairings as well. Lucia and Aymeric have never been shipped by anyone after all.

You might be clueless about the world we live in if you do believe that it's not a political statement of any sort.
The world isn't the US nor the western world which is a minority in it when it comes down to numbers, and there was and there will have a LOT of debate about it in the years to come.
Like it or not doesn't change much about this issue either, and being aggresive towards those who are aware of that doesn't help at all, but w/e it's pretty common nowadays to have this kind of comment especially in this english-speaking world.

The political issue is over things like discrimination and legal recognition. Not the very existence of LGBT people, unless you're completely out of it of course.

Because that is exactly what this thread is doing: make everything look like they have some kind of political message. A rainbow crystal is not necessarily a LGBT+ promotion. Two girls becoming close friends and risk their lives for each other is not necessary a gay relationship. I doubt such things going through the head of the writers when they develop the story, and it is just the OP thinks everything with rainbow is a message for the sake of LGBT+.



Honestly, I don't mind if Ryne and Gaia turn gay and live together happily ever after, but until I see a clear evidence that they are more than just best friends, they are just a pair of best friends in my eyes. You are free to think otherwise.

Why wouldn't it go through their heads? There's for sure LGBT people working at Square, hell they were at 41st Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/blog/002680.html

And you're entitled to your opinion, I just disagree and will make an argument for why. The fact that so many people are desperate to shut down is what bothers me, especially since there isn't even a single out character in the game.

[Izscha]

The political issue is over things like discrimination and legal recognition. Not the very existence of LGBT people, unless you're completely out of it of course.

Anything that has something to do with society as a whole is politic related, humans and their toughts are politics by nature and that's why it's so complicated.
One think they're right, the others think they're right too and there is ppl who likes ideas from everywhere, but each single society stuff is political.
And the very existence of it is something you wont see recognize and aknowledge in many cultures aswell.
If you do think politic is only about discrimination and what laws says, sorry to pop ur bubble but you're far from the truth on this one.
There is some countries out there that has no issues saying that gays doesn't exist there, denying its very existence for ppl in said country and can be punished by death in many more countries aswell.

And i would not take something as a publicity stunt as an argument about what's the devs opinion on lgbt stuff, even more when it's SE parts that's aren't in JP, were the game is made.
And working for 1 brand doesn't mean everyone there has the same beliefs, mindset etc, it's their job and they're paid to do it and tell me that everyone there is always in perfect acceptation of what their compagnies says.
That's like saying *random brand* can't be racist because they made a post on twitter, it's communication and brand image nothing more.

[EaraGrace]

Anything that has something to do with society as a whole is politic related, humans and their toughts are politics by nature and that's why it's so complicated.
One think they're right, the others think they're right too and there is ppl who likes ideas from everywhere, but each single society stuff is political..

I mean I did say

unless you're completely out of it of course.

Covers that pretty nicely there friend.

If you do think politic is only about discrimination and what laws says, sorry to pop ur bubble but you're far from the truth on this one.

I think legal recognition is a political issue. But legal recognition does not equal whether LGBT people exist. Just because the question is asked and people are wrong, doesn't change the fact that Queer people exist.

And i would not take something as a publicity stunt as an argument about what's the devs opinion on lgbt stuff, even more when it's SE parts that's aren't in JP, were the game is made.
And working for 1 brand doesn't mean everyone there has the same beliefs, mindset etc, it's their job and they're paid to do it and tell me that everyone there is always in perfect acceptation of what their compagnies says.

So a company being willing to publicly participate at an LGBT event doesn't at least suggest to you that they'd be willing to include LGBT characters? Call it a publicity stunt if you want but I don't believe for a second the company or leadership wouldn't have signed off, which is important.

That's like saying *random brand* can't be racist because they made a post on twitter, it's communication and brand image nothing more.

Not even close.

[Izscha]

I mean I did say

Covers that pretty nicely there friend.



I think legal recognition is a political issue. But legal recognition does not equal whether LGBT people exist. Just because the question is asked and people are wrong, doesn't change the fact that Queer people exist.




So a company being willing to publicly participate at an LGBT event doesn't at least suggest to you that they'd be willing to include LGBT characters? Call it a publicity stunt if you want but I don't believe for a second the company or leadership wouldn't have signed off, which is important.



Not even close.

You're not out of it, you have opinion on society like everyone else. Politic is not something you can dodge if you want.
Unless you have 0 thought on any subject obviously, but your presence here tells me you're not some sort of plant.

" Just because the question is asked and people are wrong"
And here is exactly why you believe it's not political, because you're sure you're right and everyone else that doesn't see stuff like you is wrong so it's not up to debate.

Thanks proving that it's indeed political.

Compagnies especially big ones will do anything that takes little effort and maximise appreciation.
It means nothing, it's publicity to have ppl like you believe that they're on your side and it works.

[EaraGrace]

You're not out of it, you have opinion on society like everyone else. Politic is not something you can dodge if you want.
Unless you have 0 thought on any subject obviously, but your presence here tells me you're not some sort of plant.

" Just because the question is asked and people are wrong"
And here is exactly why you believe it's not political, because you're sure you're right and everyone else that doesn't see stuff like you is wrong so it's not up to debate.

Thanks proving that it's indeed political.

Compagnies especially big ones will do anything that takes little effort and maximise appreciation.
It means nothing, it's publicity to have ppl like you believe that they're on your side and it works.

Ask a queer person if they're real, and see if they think that question is just politics. The people who insist that being gay or trans isn't a factual aspect of that person's existence is disconnected from reality. Is the question of whether the Earth is flat a political question? That's just as out there after all.

And insisting that Square and the FF14 team being at a pride event is just them being manipulative is pure unadulterated denial. If this was such an heavyhanded, clear attempt at publicity, then why did they only post a blogpost about it? You'd think a publicity stunt would, yknow, have publicity around it?