I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

[Izscha]

Did you even read?

Rinoa was underage in FF8. So was Squall. Chaste, young love. Next.

Doesn't change the fact that they're underage, even if both are ?

[KizuyaKatogami]

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Correct me if i’m wrong but the scene they mirrored was the ending scene of ff8 correct? Where squall was wondering around etc? At that point Squall already knew he loved Rinoa. He knew that by the time he went to rescue her from the sorceress memorial. In fact the first time he really accepts his feelings is after she’s been in the coma and he literally takes her body and carries her by himself. That’s when he realizes and accepts his love for her. Because we even have a scene after that where he admits he’d do anything for her should she turn evil etc etc.I really think people read far too much into this storyline in terms of the relationship and i say this as a gay person. I remember when two girls could hang out and go have sleepovers or go shopping together or paint each other’s nails without being labeled as “omg they must totally be in love.” The way i see it, they’re simply two good friends due to their similar circumstances and events they went through.

[Tsiron]

You're certainly welcome to interpret it that way... Severian is still right though.

[Breakbeat]

It is disheartening that people still think they're "just" friends.

It's disheartening that you're necroing a bunch of old 'edgy' 'argumentative' threads just to re-ignite the flames. I know it's hard, but stop, breathe, and try again. Don't let the anxiety or obsession over these threads get the better of you.

If you cannot do that by yourself, ask for help. It's not healthy to be hanging on to silly things like discussion thread arguments for three months or more. In fact, it's decidedly un-healthy. Your doctor should be able to discuss this with you.

Have you had CBT? Perhaps look into it. It helped me not get stuck on internal 'loops' of obsession as much as I did before the classes. It's just silly/easy methods, too. Like when you're stuck on an obsessive loop, look around the room and name ten objects and the colors of those objects, out loud. Loop gone, at least temporarily. Some times permanently.

Good luck, I know the fight isn't easy.

[Caurcas]

The way the "anti-lgbt people" are so quick to reduce everything LGBT people are down to sex acts is really disturbing. That's literally all you think about, isn't it?

Have seen the parades? The case is easy to make when you have people dressed in fetish gear parading around in front of children.

[NatePride]

The giant rainbow rock amidst them fighting to be together through an entire story arc is, still, pretty on the head about it. Can't really get more direct than that, without them just straight up saying it. .

it is a rock representing the colours of the 6 main elements.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Correct me if i’m wrong but the scene they mirrored was the ending scene of ff8 correct? Where squall was wondering around etc? At that point Squall already knew he loved Rinoa. He knew that by the time he went to rescue her from the sorceress memorial. In fact the first time he really accepts his feelings is after she’s been in the coma and he literally takes her body and carries her by himself. That’s when he realizes and accepts his love for her. Because we even have a scene after that where he admits he’d do anything for her should she turn evil etc etc.I really think people read far too much into this storyline in terms of the relationship and i say this as a gay person. I remember when two girls could hang out and go have sleepovers or go shopping together or paint each other’s nails without being labeled as “omg they must totally be in love.” The way i see it, they’re simply two good friends due to their similar circumstances and events they went through.

I think there's more nuance to it than that. Squall is very stoic and mostly duty-motivated. For most of the game, he (outwardly) doesn't seem very reciprocating of Rinoa's interest; he just passively accepts her approaches. Even when he carries her and afterward, and pledges loyalty to protect her, that seems to be mostly or at least equally duty-driven. And that makes sense that he would rationalize his feelings as responsibility for others. While I think it is up to interpretation as to precisely when Squall realizes he has feelings for Rinoa, I think the ending makes the strongest case for his epiphany given that I believe it is the first time we really see evidence of walls being broken down. I personally think this may have been what the writers were going for with Squall's general personal/relationship arc and resolution. But it's not the clearest so I don't think either of our interpretations are totally invalid.

I actually think the parallel with Gaia is even stronger in that respect. Ryne is throwing herself at Gaia in the same nonserious way Rinoa did to Squall. Gaia is rebuffing and preoccupied with greater things just like Squall did. Neither couple really realizes they have a thing for each other for most of the story. It's only at the climax of their arc that the Squall/Gaia half realizes they have romantic feelings.

it is a rock representing the colours of the 6 main elements.

There is no reason why it can't be both.

And again, I am frankly stunned at how dense some people are on these forums. The crystal is pretty much the punctuation point at the end of a romantically-coded scene between two same-gendered people. It's like no one has ever heard of writing so deft as to weave several different stories/themes/symbols together in a way that conveys entirely new ideas. The juxtaposition is literally hitting you in the head with a hammer. I'm pretty sure they could have both hopped on a unicorn down a yellow brick road and people would still be asserting no homo.

[Rinhi]

ok mr catman, who is the sole authority on what constitutes as gay or not, let's ignore the multiple gay and lesbian people in this and the other thread that completely disagree with your viewpoint because we're just dense and don't understand it, please teach me more about my sexuality and how two friends who've basically just met each other are clearly very deeply in love with each other and not just getting to know each other

[KizuyaKatogami]

Tbh, i’m fine with people having their headcanon on certain story elements. Like if people want to headcanon that they’re a couple for whatever reason, that’s perfectly fine imo. The thing that gets to me is when people start saying it factually when there in all honesty is very little pointing in that direction. Like the crystal theme. Yes, a rainbow has lgbt inspiration, however they give a very real, 100% not shoe horned reason as to why it’s a rainbow in not only the eden questline, but also the msq in matoya’s dungeon. The lava in matoya’s dungeon is rainbow colored because of the aether and elements. This doesn’t mean Matoya is turning the frogs gay~ If these two were in a relationship i really don’t think they would beat around the bush. They’ve already come out with numerous examples of gay or bi couples and they just went out and said it. The couple in the wanderer’s palace questline comes to mind along with the girl at camp bronze lake. All in all i really don’t think from a canon perspective they’re together. I think if anything there’s more pointing to gaia’s underlying feelings for mitron shining through more than there is romantic feelings for ryne and even that’s pretty small. I understand people want representation but we have it in other ways and maybe in the future we’ll get more of it and i’m sure when that happens it will be explicitly stated. I’m just tired of this debate overall of these two poor girls lmao. They just wanna eat coffee biscuits in peace xD

[Izscha]

So any rainbow is lgbt now ? Good to know.
Like lgbt own a natural phenoma now and you can't use it for anything that is not lgbt related.