Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Roda]

I feel like the profile view needs more of a smooth line from skull to back, instead of dipping inwards at the neck like a human. I think that's a key factor between looking like a cat and looking like a human with cat textures applied, especially if they don't have hair to fill in the gap.

Also possibly more sloping shoulders than a human. I think when we were comparing the Hrothgar and Roegadyn in the mural, that was one of the differences if you scaled them to the same height. Particularly for your "Ronso", the front view of the neck looks quite narrow and it could be wider and curving out more gradually than the human "right angle" from vertical neck to horizontal shoulder.

(I know it's not exactly a right angle, but you get what I mean?)

Ah yes thank you! I knew there was SOMETHING off!
I was tunnel visioning the faces and just slapped them on any old neck ^^;


Oh thank you that looks so much better lol♥
(Also broadened the "friendly" face's muzzle.

[Exosapien]

It's a bummer that female Alolan Miqo'te aren't coming with 6.0 but that just means they have more time to put into them.

[Dracosavarian]

Ah yes thank you! I knew there was SOMETHING off!
I was tunnel visioning the faces and just slapped them on any old neck ^^;


Oh thank you that looks so much better lol♥
(Also broadened the "friendly" face's muzzle.

This is definitely a good example of what I am wanting them to work towards in my head.

If they come up with something akin to this, so that I can have a orange furred Tigress and make her hair a separate color, that is not tied to her fur color like current Hrothgar are implemented, I would be quite happy.

[Iscah]

If they come up with something akin to this, so that I can have a orange furred Tigress and make her hair a separate color, that is not tied to her fur color like current Hrothgar are implemented, I would be quite happy.

Hrothgar hair really should have been set to take on the highlights colour rather than the base fur colour.

[reivaxe]

And who are you to decide what is and is not acceptable?

A player and MMO/ Media Arts aficionado.
For example, even if I think Hrothgar look cool with their animations and such, I do think it's unacceptable to release a race that has to pay $10 to change their hair in a MMO that did away with that concept not long after I started playing all the way back in ARR. At best, it's a terrible decision they have to work around now, at worse it's a sleazy tactic designed to get Hrothgar to give them more money via the Mogstation.

Anyone playing this game can have an opinion about what is and isn't acceptable.

[Skivvy]

A player and MMO/ Media Arts aficionado.
For example, even if I think Hrothgar look cool with their animations and such, I do think it's unacceptable to release a race that has to pay $10 to change their hair in a MMO that did away with that concept not long after I started playing all the way back in ARR. At best, it's a terrible decision they have to work around now, at worse it's a sleazy tactic designed to get Hrothgar to give them more money via the Mogstation.

Anyone playing this game can have an opinion about what is and isn't acceptable.

Let us hope that they've found a better way to handle the hairstyle swapping with females and that the change will also be implemented to the guys at some point.

[Roda]

Let us hope that they've found a better way to handle the hairstyle swapping with females and that the change will also be implemented to the guys at some point.

They mentioned things happening during 6.1 (can't remember if it would be they'll START working on it, or be finished by then)
I'm assuming that's when work on the females is going to start, so they'll probably be working on the male's hair problems as a kind of way of workshopping how they want their systems to handle the fully developed female character options.
Something something, male viera paving the way for female viera to have the missing hairstyles.

[Dracosavarian]

Moving the discussion to things I’d REALLY like to see them fix on Male Hrothgar and furthermore, implement for Female Hrothgar instead of the heated discussion that some are having.

1: Give a wider range of Fur colors, instead of just the muted and drab yellows, pinks, and browns and so on. I want to make an orange Tigress. Currently with Hrothgar your option for Tiger colors is basically white and that is about it.

2: Separate Fur color from hair color. Allow me to have bright, flaming red hair with highlight colors, and make my fur color a different, distinctive look that makes me unique.

3: More varied Fur Patterns.

4: Wide range of hair colors please, not the muted ugly winter tones or earthen tones we have.

5: Separate Hairstyles from their faces. Allow us to choose these independently.

6: More than four faces please.

7: Please make them stand upright, instead of having to cpose correct it on our end.


That’s just off the top of my head. Seriously, the race has some issues and I feel like they need to go through and create female Hrothgar, but also fix the existing issues with the race so that we don’t have a repeat of the current issues Hrothgar have.

[reivaxe]

Let us hope that they've found a better way to handle the hairstyle swapping with females and that the change will also be implemented to the guys at some point.

Looking at hair drama is part of why I think females are being shown to look like Bless cat races/ Avatar people/ MithraxViera.

The reason Hrothgar males heads look so different compared to each other is because they're so beast like that you need bigger structural changes to the face in order to tell them apart (as human brains are wired to read and recognize human faces, so when you don't have eyebrows/ lips and other human features, it gets hard to tell the tiny details that makes each face unique). So each of Hrothgar's 4 heads has differently shaped foreheads and ears, it makes each face look different.

But because of that it makes hair made for each of the 4 heads not work on the others without problems with the hairline and ears. That's the cost of not having a unified head/ face type, and was a core design decision in making them. They said that Hrothgar males are getting new hair(?) and the ability to change hair in 6.1, but even when they said that it seemed like it would only apply to hair for that face (as in, no face 1 getting face 2's pretty boi mane).

SE would have to decide if Hrothgals should show them learning from the backlash like with MV and have "all the hair" or if they think people would be ok with a female only having w/e they end up giving the males in 6.1.
It's up to them, but when I look at the mural's indication of eyebrows and prominent human lips I get the feeling of a humanized face, which would make it so that they could have "all the hair" if the devs wanted.

[Rokke]

In regards to those requests, unless the character creator is completely revamped 2 & 5 are a no-go. As it is we have a finite amount of customization slots and you can find the pattern among the races that we have. Our creator in this game is incredibly limited and Horthgar really suffer for it not being built with non-humans in mind :c

As for 7, Im 90% sure the whole reason behind the hunch, the bent legs, and the wide default stance is that they were trying to make hrothgar look digitigrade without actually making them digitigrade. I wish they either committed or just had them upright but I think thats what they were going for. Personally, I don't think its going to be on the females because it (along with the limited-ness of the fur colors/patterns/hair) wasn't received as a "fair" tradeoff for being able to play as a nonhuman.