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  1. #1
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    HappyHubris's Avatar
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    Pocket Hubris
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    Leviathan
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    Bard Lv 94
    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    Every Ultimate has been solo-healed. Nothing in this game actually requires both healers to be constantly healing.



    siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh...here we go again

    What follows is a hypothetical:

    So it turns out Yoshida's snap decision to delay Endwalker is because he got an idea late one night, to radically change how fights are designed. 6.0 drops, people get to the first dungeon, and things take a turn for the weird. See, Yoshida's idea was to make bosses untargetable or invulnerable for 50-70% of the fight, and then have the boss spam constant raid-wides during those periods. He also gave every DPS job a spammable self-heal.

    You're running the dungeon as a DPS. Your job is "literally meant to DPS." Except you can't. The game won't let you. Instead, it's asking you to spend 50-70% of every fight just pressing one button, your boring self-heal, over and over and over in order to stay alive.

    This is what life is like for healers. Healers actually do want to heal things. But the game will not let them do so. Bosses don't deal enough damage, often enough, for healers to actually need their full kit (unless they're solo-healing an Ultimate or a Savage). So once everybody is either topped up or has a regen ticking away on them, no more healing is required.

    Health bars can't go above 100%, you know.

    So what do you do then as a healer? The only thing you can: press your one DPS button over and over and over until the game decides to let you heal again. For 50-70% of the fight, according to logs. And that's in Savage, so you can imagine how boring it gets in the content most players run.
    Wow, thank you for articulating this so clearly!
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyHubris View Post
    Wow, thank you for articulating this so clearly!
    It's even worse for new players. Try it. Make a new character on a fresh world server and pick a healer job. YOU'LL DO NOTHING beyond spam 1-dps spell for quest after quest, for level after level, for freaking ever. It's the most brain-dead, boring, terrible design I've ever seen in any MMO I've ever played. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. This is fact.
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    Rosa Frandlia
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    It's even worse for new players. Try it. Make a new character on a fresh world server and pick a healer job. YOU'LL DO NOTHING beyond spam 1-dps spell for quest after quest, for level after level, for freaking ever. It's the most brain-dead, boring, terrible design I've ever seen in any MMO I've ever played. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. This is fact.
    And with WHM it is getting even worse. You will go from level 12 where you get raise to 18 where Stone upgrades (no new button) to 30 for Cure 2 and Presence of Mind. That is 18 levels with no new buttons!
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia View Post
    And with WHM it is getting even worse. You will go from level 12 where you get raise to 18 where Stone upgrades (no new button) to 30 for Cure 2 and Presence of Mind. That is 18 levels with no new buttons!
    The Devs don't care about how awful the leveling experience is for Healers. They gave BLM a huge QoL overhaul to make its leveling experience better. They gave MNK its Chakra system at level 15 with Steel Peak and Howling Fist returning as low level versions of TFC and Enlightenment. WHERE IS THE OVERHAUL FOR HEALERS????? You're cutting Fluid Aura instead of changing its function, which they've done for almost every expansion barring ShB. Why can't it be something like a Low Level Assize so that WHM has an MP tool at level 50 content, where it actually needs one? Why not reincorporate Protect, Stone Skin and Divine Seal as low level version of Aqua Veil, Divine Benison and Temperance? You're doing it for other classes but WHM just gets even more skills removed from it?

    YOU"VE BEEN REMOVING SKILLS FROM WHM SINCE HW!!!!!!!! There has not been a SINGLE expansion in which WHM has not lost a Skill or Trait or was otherwise nerfed in some way. In HW, You nerfed Fluid Aura to not deal damage and removed the Proshell Trait because it wasn't fair that WHM had the superior Protect skill but Super Virus was perfectly fine to remain, right? In SB, you removed Stoneskin1+2 and the Graniteskin trait, further nerfed Fluid Aura and then made Cleric Stance and Divine Seal into Role Actions. In ShB, you removed Aero 3, removed Cleric Stance entirely and made Repose into a Role Action because you just HAD to share something from WHM with the other healers, even if it was just some sick joke that you felt the need to FORCE upon them all because the level 80 Role Quest REQUIRED its use. In EW, you're nerfing Thin Air and finally killing Fluid Aura entirely.

    WHM is a running joke at this point. What skill are you going to remove from WHM next expansion SE? PoM into a Role Action skill? I mean, it wouldn't be fair to the poor ASTs that can't get 2 seals for their Astrodyne to give them the same buff, right? Or maybe you'll just kill off Thin Air entirely. Remove the damage from Assize? You did it for Fluid Aura. Come on SE. Nerf my WHM even more. I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 11-18-2021 at 12:51 PM.

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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    It's even worse for new players. Try it. Make a new character on a fresh world server and pick a healer job. YOU'LL DO NOTHING beyond spam 1-dps spell for quest after quest, for level after level, for freaking ever. It's the most brain-dead, boring, terrible design I've ever seen in any MMO I've ever played. No hyperbole. No exaggeration. This is fact.
    Wait until you fully grasp macros and be able to turn SMN into a literal 1 button rotation.
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