The story(spoilers)

[PlushyprincessMusa]

Postives

1. Godly story telling
   Strong characters
   Emotional areas
   Growth
   Exploration

Negatives:
1. Points become forgotton
2 little to no effect
3. Actions taken in story ( forgotton) or ignored impact wise.


What do I mean? Well its simple using 3 parts (there is more but...)
Crystal brave betrayal seems to only have a negative effect on scion character our character is like well guess it never happened.

Niddhogg had a legit reason and nothing at all no impact on us outside something to kill.

Emet-selch tells us the truth but the second we get back we ask no questions and seemly forget his words then run back kissing the lights ass.

Basically we are way to goody toe shoes (drk fixed this in arr but after arr its back to a pathic goody goody.

Basically nothing impacts us like it should, we have little to any negative efects and what we do get is ignored or made pointless 5 quest later.

Another issue is going role quest in shadowbringer basically ignoring what job you are because its role giving you side characters that your character honestly has no reason to give a damn about is just bad. (Please dont drop job quest)

Next point:
The story should allow us to take negative actions or at the very least give us remark options to things we should rlly be like "look here i learned the truth stupid crystal, you created the scion and destoryed everyones soul shatter them"

Add side quest for our characters state of mind for whst they been through story wise and drop the stupid bs commedy questline.

Finally really let us be bad sometimes i sware characters npc, us that we work with are is allowed to get a impact emotional wise are this 2 dimsional goody toe shoe characters.

Even superman did some evil, same with batman,green arrow and other dc heros. Just because your a hero doesn't mean you stay 2 dimsional you can do bad, mistake and build back up.

[nebby00]

I do agree somewhat with you that there seems to be a lack of consequence in the story, especially with Y'shtola's many deaths (which I'm honestly tired of. If they're going to commit to killing a character, commit to the decision). Though the Crystal Brave scenario was mainly for Alphinaud and effected his character the most; it made sense they made the decision that way. The WoL didn't really have any deep connection with any of the Crystal Braves, so it of course wouldn't have a lasting consequence.

And let's be realistic; the writing team can't possibly keep up the job quest story lines with the amount if jobs we have now. We literally have a whole bunch of combat jobs, and two more are being added in Endwalker, to be able to not burn the writing team out it makes sense that they'll focus on role quests instead. I will miss job quests, but not to the point I will be frustrated at them not being included anymore. I'd much rather them focus on content, and yes the Hildibrand story line than job quests themselves. At least with Hildibrand there is the potential to add more trials.

As for the WoL being evil... the WoL is supposed to be an avatar of justice, having an evil WoL isn't going to happen ever. It just contradicts completely against the point of the WoL existing. Even the DRK questlines describe the DRK as striving to save others through sacrifice, but also acknowledging that sometimes you can't save everyone.

[PlushyprincessMusa]

I do agree somewhat with you that there seems to be a lack of consequence in the story, especially with Y'shtola's many deaths (which I'm honestly tired of. If they're going to commit to killing a character, commit to the decision). Though the Crystal Brave scenario was mainly for Alphinaud and effected his character the most; it made sense they made the decision that way. The WoL didn't really have any deep connection with any of the Crystal Braves, so it of course wouldn't have a lasting consequence.

And let's be realistic; the writing team can't possibly keep up the job quest story lines with the amount if jobs we have now. We literally have a whole bunch of combat jobs, and two more are being added in Endwalker, to be able to not burn the writing team out it makes sense that they'll focus on role quests instead. I will miss job quests, but not to the point I will be frustrated at them not being included anymore. I'd much rather them focus on content, and yes the Hildibrand story line than job quests themselves. At least with Hildibrand there is the potential to add more trials.

As for the WoL being evil... the WoL is supposed to be an avatar of justice, having an evil WoL isn't going to happen ever. It just contradicts completely against the point of the WoL existing. Even the DRK questlines describe the DRK as striving to save others through sacrifice, but also acknowledging that sometimes you can't save everyone.

I didnt say evil being evil and doing bad things is different.

Examole ff7 you literally start as terrost other ffs your typically doing bad things for good reasons. Ff13 you literally hunted for being "bad"

Also we literally are accussed of what they did and basically arrested lt should have been worth more,than what we got there.

[Kolsykol]

I dunno why people keep saying that Y'shtola keeps surviving.
She only got almost killed once as far as I can remember when Zenos cut her down and she got help almost right away.

The first time she used Flow she came back and was blinded and Thancred lost his magic so both of them suffered consequences long-term.
And the second time Emet got her out almost immediately after she entered it, she wasn't there long enough for problems to occur and Emet was following you around and testing you I think it made sense that he'd do it.
Y'shtola wasn't a threat to him as far as he was concerned and he was right about that.

Edit: I guess that Emet did attack her at the end too, but he did that to everyone and everyone survived.
Honestly Alisaie and Alphinaud surviving what happened to them in that scene was more silly.
They're not even injured at the end.

[Vahlnir]

I didnt say evil being evil and doing bad things is different.

Examole ff7 you literally start as terrost other ffs your typically doing bad things for good reasons. Ff13 you literally hunted for being "bad"

Also we literally are accussed of what they did and basically arrester ld shoulda had more worth than what we got there.

Actually, in FF7 (as well as the remake) you start as a mercenary working for a group that is trying to stop Shinra from killing the planet. Shinra explicitly brands the main character and the group as terrorists in the remake to further their own agenda, though Avalanche itself knows that it is doing some bad for their perceived greater good. In the original I think it was a bit less complicated overall. Shinra bad, Avalanche good was basically the gist of disc 1. lol

[KageTokage]

There's only so much you can do with a silent protagonist and I feel XIV has done a fairly job of it overall; with the increase of dialogue choices at least allowing to inject a little more of our personal feelings into situations even if it doesn't actually change anything.

Niddhogg had a legit reason and nothing at all no impact on us outside something to kill.

Why would it have an impact on us?

Nidhogg had no intention of ever relenting and wanted to visit suffering upon Ishgard for eternity; long after the people he held any personal grudge against had perished.

He was blinded by rage and beyond reason which really only presented one option.

[nebby00]

I didnt say evil being evil and doing bad things is different.

Examole ff7 you literally start as terrost other ffs your typically doing bad things for good reasons. Ff13 you literally hunted for being "bad"

Also we literally are accussed of what they did and basically arrested lt should have been worth more,than what we got there.

I never played any of the other FF games, so I have no clue about any of their storylines, not really interested in playing any of the other ones either until I get some more free time.

I do agree though, there should have been more punishment for the Crystal Braves than what we got. But, still the storyline of FFXIV consistently has a theme of forgiveness so I guess if that's what they're sticking to there's not much that can be done about it.

I dunno why people keep saying that Y'shtola keeps surviving.
She only got almost killed once as far as I can remember when Zenos cut her down and she got help almost right away.

First time, she should have been dead. They brought her back from the lifestream, then she got cut down by Zenos causing a "fake" death scene for her, but she instead was critically wounded. Third time, she should have died again, but instead was saved by Emet. Having near death moments three separate times is three times too many. It's annoying to watch, and it made me dislike her character although she's not my least favorite out of some of the characters I do dislike. I really hope they don't pull out another one in Endwalker for her.

[Kolsykol]

Honestly I prefer silent protagonists in RPG's, I always feel like when they're voiced they're not at all what I imagine my character to be like.
And it also feels like it locks you into playing a certain character, often times the voice will just feel weird with certain personalities.
That wouldn't be a problem in FFXIV considering that the WoL has a set personality, but I still think that voice acting locks you into something and makes it feel like it's less YOUR character and more someone else.

I never played any of the other FF games, so I have no clue about any of their storylines, not really interested in playing any of the other ones either until I get some more free time.

I do agree though, there should have been more punishment for the Crystal Braves than what we got. But, still the storyline of FFXIV consistently has a theme of forgiveness so I guess if that's what they're sticking to there's not much that can be done about it.



First time, she should have been dead. They brought her back from the lifestream, then she got cut down by Zenos causing a "fake" death scene for her, but she instead was critically wounded. Third time, she should have died again, but instead was saved by Emet. Having near death moments three separate times is three times too many. It's annoying to watch, and it made me dislike her character although she's not my least favorite out of some of the characters I do dislike. I really hope they don't pull out another one in Endwalker for her.

Why '' should '' she have been dead?
Thancred didn't die either.
Entering the lifestream doesn't kill you immediately, people used to use it as a way of teleporting they tell you this in the game.
She was simply lost in it and she was helped in getting out.

Alisaie gets cut down by Fordola in Stormblood too and is fine I don't see people bringing that up against her.
And I really wouldn't count Flow as a death that's kinda bizarre to me.

Edit: Alisaie also gets shot with a poisoned arrow and conveniently makes it back and is healed up.
Other characters have had stuff like this happen before Y'shtola has only had it happen to her once.

[Theodric]

I'm also on board with the idea of more consequences in the story for the protagonists and I hope Endwalker delivers on that front. I'd like to see a lot of the current cast retired at the very least, though if Endwalker is supposedly the grand finale of many of the game's established story arcs and the second coming of the apocalypse then I would like to think that at least some major characters will perish.

It's a shame that FFXIV doesn't take more cues from the recent FFVII remake. It has a pretty big cast of characters, both in terms of protagonists and antagonists - but it handles them in a way that doesn't generally kill off the antagonists after a single fight and it also allows them to get their fair share of victories in. The protagonists, in turn, aren't written or made to sit around and be completely incompetent either.

[nebby00]

Alisae isn't particularly my favorite either for that reason, since she should have been shown to be in critical condition. Really, any characters that are put in life threatening situations that have high mortality but they miraculously survive for the sake of drama annoys me greatly. But that's just me, I prefer character deaths when there's a reason for it, not for the sake of drawing out tension or getting a response from the player only to say "Nevermind, they're okay". And I never really cared much for Thancred either past ARR, so honestly looking at it objectively, it's probably my dislike for these characters and this particular pet peeve of mine that causes me to dislike them so much. Otherwise they would have been perfectly fine to me at least.