Coffee Buscuits on steroids; a gil making method causing housing problems

[Yuumei]

If you are worried about solo FCs grinding mad gil with submarines...
Not counting the gil sunk in for the land plot + house + workshop:

1. It's a 4-5 months commitment to hit lvl 90 and you need to log in every time it returns to send it out again! (have you tried juggling 4 timers that resets at different times of the day?).
2. You need at least 3 sets of submarine parts (initial shark, CSUW lvlup set, final fight club parts all which require tons of mats to unlock the schematics and construct).
3. You need do stuff in game (craft, run dungeons, do supply missions etc) to generate fc credits to buy fuel for the submarines.
4. You need to sink money to maintain the submarines (repair kits).

Ashe10 did a test and was able to get approx 12 million+ gil in a month with 4 submarines per character.
Source:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=997810596

It's a nice way to keep some income flowing in while taking it easy but it pales vs what you could pull from the marketboard as i am sure my fellow gil-capped Eorzeans would know.

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Bonus: some napkin maths for Dwarven Mythril File leves vs submarine income assuming:
- 3x HQ turn-ins per leve
- 6x leves every day as per daily allowance.
- average 7500 gil per file (actual floats between 7400+ to 8600+)
- ignores crystal costs (leves gives more than you use in the long run)
- ignores the 2x ingot and 1x dwarven cotton cost (for simplicity)

(7500 x 3) x 6= 135,000 gil every day.

Fight club each trip takes 1d 20h 52m and the amount received is random.
For simplicity sake, we will take Ashe10's highest monthly record of 12,946,000 (for FOUR submarines total haul) and divide by 30 days and ignore repair costs.

(12,946,000 / 30 days) / 4 = 107,883 gil (per sub) daily, probably less due to RNG.

Considering the number of FCs with houses and fully levelled submarines x4 doing fight club 24/7 is likely limited (capped by land plot availability at the very least), players doing the leve turn-ins would contributes more heavily to inflation simply because of larger numbers of players able to engage in this activity.


TLDR: SE probably knows more about what is contributing to inflation than you think.
They do have access to the backend system / logs you know.

[KageTokage]

TLDR: SE probably knows more about what is contributing to inflation than you think.
They do have access to the backend system / logs you know.

As much as I'd like to think that, it's a bit concerning that they've done basically nothing about those map-farming RMT bots when they number literally into the hundreds on some servers and should be raising red flags that some kind of exploitation is going on.

[Deceptus]

As much as I'd like to think that, it's a bit concerning that they've done basically nothing about those map-farming RMT bots when they number literally into the hundreds on some servers and should be raising red flags that some kind of exploitation is going on.

I literally saw this for the first time the other day in Lakeland. Group of 8, followed them because they were doing botlike behavior before they mounted up.

Killed the mob, instantly vanished at the exact same time.

[Liam_Harper]

TLDR: SE probably knows more about what is contributing to inflation than you think.
They do have access to the backend system / logs you know.

Then why are they nerfing the scraps left over after the result of their problem instead of the source?

Gil from leves was never a problem in the past. Nor was gil a problem from collectibles but that was nerfed too. Bots however are a rampant issue and will continue wrecking the markets and churning out billions via treasure maps. They can't just keep snatching away the pennies that legitimate players are scraping off the floor because they don't have an answer to bots.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Then why are they nerfing the scraps left over after the result of their problem instead of the source?

Gil from leves was never a problem in the past. Nor was gil a problem from collectibles but that was nerfed too. Bots however are a rampant issue and will continue wrecking the markets and churning out billions via treasure maps. They can't just keep snatching away the pennies that legitimate players are scraping off the floor because they don't have an answer to bots.

How much gil is actually generated from running a map? "Generated" as in created out of thin air? Getting a rare drop to sell on the market board doesn't generate gil. I don't do maps, but the people who I know that do don't ever talk about raw gil, they talk about rare drops.

Botting is a problem, but I don't think its relevant to this. Its a completely separate problem.

[Yuumei]

Then why are they nerfing the scraps left over after the result of their problem instead of the source?

Gil from leves was never a problem in the past. Nor was gil a problem from collectibles but that was nerfed too. Bots however are a rampant issue and will continue wrecking the markets and churning out billions via treasure maps. They can't just keep snatching away the pennies that legitimate players are scraping off the floor because they don't have an answer to bots.

Because the number of players across all servers doing this leve turn-in to spam for gil probably outnumbers everything else (in terms of total gil generated)? Without access to the data from the backend ourselves we have to go with what the development team says and they have said it live - the leves are generating too much gil and will cause issues with the economy.

Just because they have not announced additional counter-measures against bots doing maps does not mean they are unaware of it - i certainly believe the STF team / GMs are reading our reports and they are not turning a blind eye to the botting.

However - IF you disagree strongly with what Yoshi-P said during the recent Live Letter or how they are handling this issue, i would suggest you reach out to the development team via the feedback channels available to players.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Just because they have not announced additional counter-measures against bots doing maps does not mean they are unaware of it.

Something else to consider is that announcing anti-bot countermeasures makes them ineffective. You don't announce when and where you're about to do a sting operation to stop the flow of heroin into your community.