Are some jobs 'too feminine' in aesthetics?

[DPZ2]

Dancer's job is somewhat themed more feminine than I like my character to be, mostly during the steps and finishes, so I can see where people are coming from.

I think that the idea of certain dance steps being "more feminine" is a Media problem exacerbated by over 100 years of movie images of women dancing for the pleasure of men, rather than a timeless cultural standard.

Still, personal ideas of what makes an action masculine or feminine are, well, personal.

I happen to like the level 80 WHM Weathered gear set, for instance. Then again, I've been a fan of robes and cowls for magic users -- Fantasy tropes that have existed since people actually wore robes and cowls in real life. Perhaps that Media problem is at work there as well.

[Bluemagedood]

I think that the idea of certain dance steps being "more feminine" is a Media problem exacerbated by over 100 years of movie images of women dancing for the pleasure of men, rather than a timeless cultural standard.

Still, personal ideas of what makes an action masculine or feminine are, well, personal.

I happen to like the level 80 WHM Weathered gear set, for instance. Then again, I've been a fan of robes and cowls for magic users -- Fantasy tropes that have existed since people actually wore robes and cowls in real life. Perhaps that Media problem is at work there as well.

I mean this is all where it gets frustrating to talk about right? Because if someone asks me if the Dancer Job is gendered, my answer is that parts of it indeed use imagery that for most of it's existence has been very gendered and in a way that objectify the dancer. If that doesn't bother you or you enjoy it, sincerely no shame. But since this is a thread to express opinions, I did. I said I saw where people are coming from. I also implied in the second half of my comment that it's not enough to really put me off, just that it doesn't really gel with me and those associations are why.

I think that implying there is some sort of timeless cultural standard of men dancing in this way for the pleasure of others is sort of misleading though, because outside of those who directly embrace non-traditional genders and gender expressions most people are going to look at dancer and see feminine traits and association.

I also like the robes and cowls and think the rest of what's in the game has a place too. It's just that that's the vast majority of what healers wear and that's off-putting, not to mention that even on men they're often cut the same, whereas I'd like some healing clothing that doesn't look like that.
Particularly if you don't like that healing is often relegated to only to pious people and is often depicted as a negatively masculine thing to do outright.
There's so many other types of people in real life who wish to heal, so the fact that it's not represented alongside more traditional options is disappointing to me.

[NyteKitsune]

Honestly, I agree many of the sets for healers look a bit feminine, but then I rarely wear those anyway, that's what glams are for and there are plenty of glam options for male healers that its not even worth complaining about. As for the robe/dress argument, now that's just silly, FFXIV is for the most part a Fantasy RPG with some sci-fi elements (Garlean and Allegan) so males and females wearing robe is appropriate to the setting, no one said you had to keep them as robes and thus again... Glam it, plenty of options.

[Aword3213]

Well good for you, but to be frank the more you say "I'm not insecure I promise" the more you give the impression that you are.

Are you a troll?

If the answer is yes, then no one should take you seriously

if the answer is "no", the more you deny, the more you give the impression that you are.

[RitsukoSonoda]

It looks really good on males and its not a fucking robe...

I think this is the relic whm set

I think

Its either the AF or AF2 for WHM from FFXI. I seem to require NA players giving a weird name for the hat back then.

[MirielleLavandre]

I believe that's AF2 from Abyssea if I remember right- also people called it the 'condom hat' >.>

[Alpheus]

The WHM FFXI gear shown is either the AF1 from the AF questline or the AF2 from Dynamis instanced farming. Both share the same model with a variance on the colors as was the case with all AF1 and AF2 gearsets for all jobs (as all jobs got their AF2 from Dynamis prior to Adoulin). I wanna say that what is being shown is AF1 WHM gear because i remember for WHM their AF2 recolor was just more vibrant whites and vibrant reds.

WHM AF3 gear from Abyssea is a bit more chonkier/comfier looking on the torso and has a Assassins' Creed style hood for the headpiece which was a massive upgrade over the prior sets' condom hat

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

White Mage does tend to prefer dresses on the lower half. Makes those pants pieces all that more awesome when they arrive for Glamour.

Those quest reward top robes with the bottles and stuff on it from Heavensward look nice too.

[JSharpie]

I have an idea
If someone is passionate enough, have mega-thread with fanart of a masculine version of spells and gear and vice-versa.

Who knows, maybe some of these people might get hired.

[Floortank]

The gear of healers in general tends toward dress like with bare shoulders, even on male characters.

I play my WHM a lot in the SHB PVP outfit, which is more of a Garlean inspired military outfit, so I have no complaints about how it looks.

I don't find the WHM's abilities to be overly feminine. The gauge is a bit flowery, but I find everything else to be pretty neutral.