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    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
    Well, not exactly, a good healer knows when they have to focus on healing and they know how to minimize the time they need to spend healing. I've been leveling my Dragoon recently and I've noticed that a lot of the people who only heal are usually also the ones who don't know how to maximize their toolkit and spend all their time healing, no damage skills, and still ends up keeping the tank alive worse than a healer who spends 80% or more of the time doing damage.

    I wouldn't call a healer not doing damage lazy, but it is a sign of being incompetent, just like the tanks you see not using cooldowns or the dps who can't weave skills or follow a proper rotation.

    If you're simply not comfortable enough in your healing abilities to do damage during your downtime, then it means you don't trust yourself to not let someone die during the 2.5s cast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.
    This has nothing to do with rush mentality... It literally means you want to use all of your kit, you want to play the game.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
    Unfortunately, they are.

    A prime example of this is how Warrior can solo Paglth'an despite it being the current endgame dungeon. Between their own insane self healing and the comically low tuning, they literally don't need a healer. Therefore, if you aren't doing damage, what purpose does your role serve? What are you contributing? Keep in mind, this irrelevancy also applies to tanks. What actually fosters the "go go go" mentality isn't players rushing but the fact single pulls render tanks or healers entirely pointless. The outgoing damage from mobs simply isn't high enough. I'm not wall pulling because I want to stop playing the game. I wall pull to make my preferred job feel relevant. Otherwise, I'm a gimped DPS. Likewise, I despise small pulls as a healer because, once again, I'm a gimped DPS or otherwise entirely useless.

    This is the exact reason why people keep asking for more outgoing damage, more debuffs and/or more DPS abilities. They want something to focus on. I'd hazard a guess upwards of 85% of healers even in this very thread would love a greater emphasise on healing. Sadly, they know that just isn't going to happen due to the devs insistence on accessibility at all levels. Hence why damage is the last option we have.
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    "The silence is your answer."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
    The idea that not doing any summons or Aetherflow actions as a Summoner is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some Bios and hit some Ruins, but a Summoner should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just dots and Ruin.

    There's no rush!
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    Does anyone else ever notice that the entire forum seems to argue with just one person at a time? It's clear the majority opinion here, but people seem to think otherwise.

    Apparently, all Healers are idiots with near ptsd like attention span who can't handle more than 2 apm?

    Is this really what the community thinks we are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Does anyone else ever notice that the entire forum seems to argue with just one person at a time? It's clear the majority opinion here, but people seem to think otherwise.

    Apparently, all Healers are idiots with near ptsd like attention span who can't handle more than 2 apm?

    Is this really what the community thinks we are?
    To be fair, that's how I started.

    In 2.1

    before I sat down and taught myself to really play.
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    Ideal state of tanks: You cannot hurt me in any way that matters
    Ideal state of DPS: I can kill you and leave no forensic evidence
    Ideal state of healers: What did you say? Honey, hold my flower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Apparently, all Healers are idiots with near ptsd like attention span who can't handle more than 2 apm?

    Is this really what the community thinks we are?
    No, but sadly that's what the Developers feel so that's our reality.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    If someone played enough instances and invested hundreds of hours into a healing job such that they've reached level 80 and also got the many single-player job quests (which includes many single-player combat instances) done... and yet the idea of an optional DPS combo that's slightly more than just spamming a constant attack with an occasional dot horrifies them, then who exactly is more at fault here: The game for encouraging attacks during excessive amounts of downtime, or the player who refuses to even try to optimize more after playing up to 80 levels of gameplay?

    I'm also no longer going to respond to dishonest arguments stating that healers apparently want DPS combos that involve 20 or more buttons; that's frankly an insulting strawman that isn't even worth engaging, because nobody here is asking for that, and it's outright rude to keep bringing that up as a disingenuous way to end conversation early.
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