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  1. #221
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisaa View Post
    Even if you are just playing casual content without any enrage, people say you are 'being lazy' and 'wasting time' if you are not dealing dps. That is the problem with having dps on healers. You are forced to use it and use it well, no matter if you are doing the most difficult ultimates or just laid-back story dungeons. It ends up controlling everything you do and every decision you make as a healer
    I really don't get this argument though.

    You could apply it to tanks, if you're holding agro, who cares what else you are doing right? Your job description doesn't cover dealing damage, that's for the DPS.

    It could even be twisted as far as the dps themselves? Just want to sit there and press nothing but heavy thrust? Sure why not, it's not causing a wipe now is it? Why do I need to press my combos or use my cooldowns? The content doesn't require it. All it's doing is making the run slower. Much much slower

    The fact of the matter is that you can heal most casual content with a CPM of around 6 assuming both you and your co healer are pulling your weight.

    That's 1 button press every 10 seconds.

    That's undeniably lazy. Sorry but it just is.

    As for being forced to use it well. That's hyperbole. Plain and simple. Maintain your dot in casual content and very few people will care if you barely do much more than that.
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  2. #222
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Every new ability that they have added back in ShB and now in Endwalker makes the Nuke-spam problem worse:

    Temperance is an oGCD increases healing done and reduces damage recieved meaning you have to heal less.
    Lilybell is an oGCD that automatically heals the raid, meaning you have to heal less.
    Aquaveil, oGCD, reduces damage taken, you have to heal less. Divine Benison 2 charges, oGCD, same.

    Seraph, MP and oGCD free AoE shields and heals, 20s of free healing.
    Sacred Soil HoT, free oGCD healing.
    Protraction, efectively a free oGCD shield, better than Adlo.
    Expedient, oGCD damage reduction.

    Devs keep giving tools to healers that allow them to free GCDs for non-healing activities. And yet refuse to give healers anything beyond a single button nuke for said non-healing activities.
    They are actively desiging the healing jobs to make you spam Glarebroil.

    1.5s cast is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Paradoxically, what keeps healers from "healing" are healing abilities themselves.
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  3. #223
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisaa View Post
    ^
    Even if you are just playing casual content without any enrage, people say you are 'being lazy' and 'wasting time' if you are not dealing dps
    Because that's exactly what it is.

    Duties are a teamwork exercise in order to beat the duty as a collective group. Therefore you contribute using all your skills and tools at your disposal as of and when they are needed. That includes dpsing as a healer. Its in your kit, use it.
    This is hammered home in the hall of the novice, the conjurer questline, the sch questline, the astro questline and by every npc that can heal
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  4. #224
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisaa View Post
    ^
    Even if you are just playing casual content without any enrage, people say you are 'being lazy' and 'wasting time' if you are not dealing dps. That is the problem with having dps on healers. You are forced to use it and use it well, no matter if you are doing the most difficult ultimates or just laid-back story dungeons. It ends up controlling everything you do and every decision you make as a healer
    You are not "forced" to do damage. No one can tell you how to play the game, that's against the ToS. However, you are also not entitled to a party finder group in high end content which require decent healer damage.

    It's a choice only you can make, with whatever you're comfortable with.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #225
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    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
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    the "i choose to disregard reality and live in my fantasy world" mentality is much more serious problem, be it ice mages/melee rdm/healing healers, or... life in general ^_^
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
    Well, not exactly, a good healer knows when they have to focus on healing and they know how to minimize the time they need to spend healing. I've been leveling my Dragoon recently and I've noticed that a lot of the people who only heal are usually also the ones who don't know how to maximize their toolkit and spend all their time healing, no damage skills, and still ends up keeping the tank alive worse than a healer who spends 80% or more of the time doing damage.

    I wouldn't call a healer not doing damage lazy, but it is a sign of being incompetent, just like the tanks you see not using cooldowns or the dps who can't weave skills or follow a proper rotation.

    If you're simply not comfortable enough in your healing abilities to do damage during your downtime, then it means you don't trust yourself to not let someone die during the 2.5s cast
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    White Mage Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.
    This has nothing to do with rush mentality... It literally means you want to use all of your kit, you want to play the game.
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  9. #229
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    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    the "i choose to disregard reality and live in my fantasy world" mentality is much more serious problem, be it ice mages/melee rdm/healing healers, or... life in general ^_^
    "Disregard reality and live in a fantasy world" in a video game? What a crazy idea!
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    The idea that not doing dps as a healer is considered lazy is bonkers. It relates directly to the "go go" mentality that many hate.

    It's not like I play this game thinking that I want to hurry up and finish so I don't have to play this game anymore. Throw some dots and hit some glares, but a healer should never feel like they're irrelevant by focusing on just healing.

    There's no rush!
    Unfortunately, they are.

    A prime example of this is how Warrior can solo Paglth'an despite it being the current endgame dungeon. Between their own insane self healing and the comically low tuning, they literally don't need a healer. Therefore, if you aren't doing damage, what purpose does your role serve? What are you contributing? Keep in mind, this irrelevancy also applies to tanks. What actually fosters the "go go go" mentality isn't players rushing but the fact single pulls render tanks or healers entirely pointless. The outgoing damage from mobs simply isn't high enough. I'm not wall pulling because I want to stop playing the game. I wall pull to make my preferred job feel relevant. Otherwise, I'm a gimped DPS. Likewise, I despise small pulls as a healer because, once again, I'm a gimped DPS or otherwise entirely useless.

    This is the exact reason why people keep asking for more outgoing damage, more debuffs and/or more DPS abilities. They want something to focus on. I'd hazard a guess upwards of 85% of healers even in this very thread would love a greater emphasise on healing. Sadly, they know that just isn't going to happen due to the devs insistence on accessibility at all levels. Hence why damage is the last option we have.
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