genuinely thinking about quitting the game

[Arazehl]

All this talk about other things being important in an MMO and I digress, this is true however, when I look for an MMO I ensure it offers all I need and I do take the printed word at face value. When I peruse FF's game description I see, HOUSING "Your own little slice of Eorzea". This is among samples of multiple other offerings that will get your attention enticing you to BUY. If you end up not being able to acquire a house period or even in a timely manner, then the game has misrepresented itsself. Especially when housing aquisition is not like savage content and takes no special skills. Housing was a carrot 6 yrs ago when I decided to buy and sub to FF. I had just come out of 2 other MMOs with good housing and really enjoy it. I managed to get a house but it took about 9 months due to lack of gil and the knowledge of how to make it back then Now I guess it is almost impossible, taxing on players and very frustrating. Shame on SE to mislead and neglect their playerbase. The players must apply the pressure for change.

Yes housing is frustrating thing, however it's not the game's main selling point and never was. It's not saying a house will be dropped in your lap when you want it, at the time you want it or that your crafters and gatherers will become level 80 instantly, or you'll be rich with mgp the moment you step into the Gold Saucer. All that you have to work for. It's like advertising a big sale on let's say toilet paper and you enter and find that it's sold out or limited. Are you going to write or go to the manager and say they are neglecting you? That that toilet paper should be on the shelf ready for you when you enter the store? No you wait until the thing becomes available with a raincheck.

I'm not saying housing is not messed up, but with all your posts in lodestone of "down with SE, crying neglect, when it comes to housing, before they've implemented a better system that isn't even released yet, I'm confused how is that neglect? I think they are trying to make housing fair under a system that is riddle with cheaters and those that want something for nothing, but I don't see you pointing finger that way. RMT is your enemy, not SE.

[Besame]

Yes housing is frustrating thing, however it's not the game's main selling point and never was. It's not saying a house will be dropped in your lap when you want it, at the time you want it or that your crafters and gatherers will become level 80 instantly, or you'll be rich with mgp the moment you step into the Gold Saucer. All that you have to work for. It's like advertising a big sale on let's say toilet paper and you enter and find that it's sold out or limited. Are you going to write or go to the manager and say they are neglecting you? That that toilet paper should be on the shelf ready for you when you enter the store? No you wait until the thing becomes available with a raincheck.

I'm not saying housing is not messed up, but with all your posts in lodestone of "down with SE, crying neglect, when it comes to housing, before they've implemented a better system that isn't even released yet, I'm confused how is that neglect? I think they are trying to make housing fair under a system that is riddle with cheaters and those that want something for nothing, but I don't see you pointing finger that way. RMT is your enemy, not SE.

Players cannot stop the cheaters, only the neglectful SE can. This has been going on for years leaving the players to suffer frustration. Your reading comprehension needs a check. I never wrote "down with SE" nor stated housing was the game's main selling point. It's one of many and a carrot used to be attractive and interesting hence your "fill in the blanks to your liking" doesn't cut it. IMO, they are not implemententing a better system, just a different texture of bandaid. We all deserve an opinion so don't try and bash me for mine.

Oh and as far as your toilet paper example which was hilarious albeit nothing to do with my post, I think out of the box and ahead so I had plenty for myself, friends and family. SE might do well to apply that to enough houses for all

[Arazehl]

Players cannot stop the cheaters, only the neglectful SE can. This has been going on for years leaving the players to suffer frustration. Your reading comprehension needs a check. I never wrote "down with SE" nor stated housing was the game's main selling point. It's one of many and a carrot used to be attractive and interesting hence your "fill in the blanks to your liking" doesn't cut it. IMO, they are not implemententing a better system, just a different texture of bandaid. We all deserve an opinion so don't try and bash me for mine.

Oh and as far as your toilet paper example which was hilarious albeit nothing to do with my post, I think out of the box and ahead so I had plenty for myself, friends and family. SE might do well to apply that to enough houses for all

Yeah RMT and cheaters has been going on since the first MMO came over on the Mayflower, so that means not one company or developers thus far has been successful to stop it completely, but you don't get it and god forbid if SE tries to make the situation better than it's current state. At least that what I get from reading all your other posts of finger pointing. Are you trying to rally the troops (players) to bring a company down over housing? Sure sounds like it from your last post. I am shaking in my boots. So go sit in your cozy virtual home within the game (as advertised) and let the company execute what they have planned for housing first before you go spouting off betrayals. Because that's all you're contributing here so far.

[Besame]

Yeah RMT and cheaters has been going on since the first MMO came over on the Mayflower, so that means not one company or developers thus far has been successful to stop it completely, but you don't get it and god forbid if SE tries to make the situation better than it's current state. At least that what I get from reading all your other posts of finger pointing. Are you trying to rally the troops (players) to bring a company down over housing? Sure sounds like it from your last post. I am shaking in my boots. So go sit in your cozy virtual home within the game (as advertised) and let the company execute what they have planned for housing first before you go spouting off betrayals. Because that's all you're contributing here so far.

I said, "players should apply pressure" not take down SE lmao. I am done with you, be gone. hehe.

[Arazehl]

I said, "players should apply pressure" not take down SE lmao. I am done with you, be gone. hehe.

Should and must implies two different things, but yeah I'm quite over you too.

[Jojoya]

RMT is your enemy, not SE.

When it comes to housing, it actually is SE that is the enemy. They are the ones that control the system design and the total supply, not RMT.

If SE used a fully instanced system instead of the ward system, RMT would have no influence in housing availability. A player would tell the game "I want a LB large, here's 50 million gil I saved up" and the game would give the player a LB large. The player might still resort to RMT to get that 50 million gil (another topic) but RMT would not be able to sell the house.

[Divinemights]

When it comes to housing, it actually is SE that is the enemy. They are the ones that control the system design and the total supply, not RMT.

If SE used a fully instanced system instead of the ward system, RMT would have no influence in housing availability. A player would tell the game "I want a LB large, here's 50 million gil I saved up" and the game would give the player a LB large. The player might still resort to RMT to get that 50 million gil (another topic) but RMT would not be able to sell the house.

Disagree.
Players do not obey/respect the rule are the enemy.
The are the sole reason why RMT exist because they are lazy to put into effort like other players.

[Besame]

Disagree.
Players do not obey/respect the rule are the enemy.
The are the sole reason why RMT exist because they are lazy to put into effort like other players.

Players are simply the catalyst. It is human nature for many people to scam, cheat, rip off, etc, playing the means to the end of what they want. SE knows this and that is why they protect most regular content from scammers. Unfortunately, they have fallen short in housing with no real viable fix in sight, viable imo, being totally instanced housing available for all that qualify.

[Arazehl]

When it comes to housing, it actually is SE that is the enemy. They are the ones that control the system design and the total supply, not RMT.

If SE used a fully instanced system instead of the ward system, RMT would have no influence in housing availability. A player would tell the game "I want a LB large, here's 50 million gil I saved up" and the game would give the player a LB large. The player might still resort to RMT to get that 50 million gil (another topic) but RMT would not be able to sell the house.

Sorry I don't find instance housing that appealing. I like walking into a neighborhood and seeing the rooftops of other houses. I've tried instance housing before, years ago. It was terrible and even guilds didn't even congregate in their own instance no longer than they had too.They always went to where players gathered. Here my FC, we are always in the yard, at the marketboards and summoning bells. We like waving at our neighbors too. Maybe that's why SE chose to do their housing in this way years ago.

Yeah RMT or cheaters wouldn't find any profit there, so they'd move onto something else in the game that they could abuse for quick gil. Like phishing, botting and more.

[Jojoya]

Sorry I don't find instance housing that appealing. I like walking into a neighborhood and seeing the rooftops of other houses. I've tried instance housing before, years ago. It was terrible and even guilds didn't even congregate in their own instance no longer than they had too.They always went to where players gathered. Here my FC, we are always in the yard, at the marketboards and summoning bells. We like waving at our neighbors too. Maybe that's why SE chose to do their housing in this way years ago.

Yeah RMT or cheaters wouldn't find any profit there, so they'd move onto something else in the game that they could abuse for quick gil. Like phishing, botting and more.

Sounds like you're getting lucky with the neighbors in your ward actually being around when you're at your FC house.

That hasn't been my experience in the ward with my personal house. I did a significant portion of my Expert crafting achievements while sitting in the yard of my house (probably about 200 hours of it). I saw other players maybe 3 times?

That wasn't my experience with my old FC's house despite going back and forth from the FC house to the Dappled Stalls MB or vendors fairly frequently. The FC was active enough, there would usually be at least a couple of members hanging around the house or more if we had some sort of event going on. Seeing neighbors? That was a real rarity.

It's not my experience when I go on random house tours to see what others have done with their houses. It is extremely rare for me to encounter anyone randomly in a ward.

I've encountered more players at the entrance to the apartment building where I have all the apartments for my alts as they're zoning in to go to their own instanced apartments than I have in the wards.

The wards fail as a "neighborhood" because only a limited number of players have reason to be in a specific ward. You have this massive space dedicated to 30 owners who are spread out within it. There's little reason for owners to travel within the ward - they get to teleport directly to their "front step" instead of having to walk through the ward to get there. If someone wants to get to a marketboard, it's just a few steps away because there are 7 marketboards scattered around a ward instead of having a single marketboard at a central location that would encourage foot traffic and random encounters between the few players with reason to be in the ward. That's of course assuming they're even online and in the ward at the same time. I might be at my house or apartment building daily but I spend far more time outside of housing doing other content than I spend at my housing.

SE should have designed the plots in the wards to be more like the apartment buildings. Imagine if instead of each plot representing a single owner, it represented 50 owners. You would be far more likely to see others coming and going, opening the door to random social encounters. They should have given wards just one, at most 2 marketboards so foot traffic would have to pass through the wards making them feel more alive. They should get rid of the aethernet shards so visitors have to pass through the ward to get to their destination, again promoting random social encounters.

By the way, just cruised by your FC house on my Aether alt since you're raving about what a wonderful active neighborhood it is. Totally dead. There was one person AFK at the Topmast marketboard and that was it.