Disappointed in new release date.

[Liam_Harper]

Imagine going out on a date, or with friends and you get ready and all done up, just for them to text you a few mins before meet-up for them to say "Oh, by the way, I decided not to go.. I'd rather just clean the house instead. Lets do it another day."

You'd lose your faith in your friend/date. You'd think "Wow. They're not a man/woman/other of their word.

This comparison is nonsense. SE didn't just randomly decide to delay their expansion because they didn't feel like it yet. This is more like your friend having an illness or getting into a car crash and being forced to postpone. If you'd lose faith in your friends over that, I feel bad for your friends.

Also the assumption that they could just hotfix and patch in their 2 weeks work later is even more nonsense. Delaying an expansion is a financial loss. It's NOT a decision they take lightly. If they're delaying, they're not doing it on a whim. I'll never understand the attitude where a random forum poster believes they know better than a multi-billion dollar company and their 2 minute armchair decision makes more sense than the decision an entire development team thoroughly discussed.

I feel bad for people who booked time off work. It's unfortunate, it does suck. But you're being childish.

[Vahlnir]

The frustration over having one's time off from work suddenly thrown out the window is completely understandable. However, I think that saying that there's been a loss in trust or confidence over a 2 week delay is being very overdramatic. That's a knee jerk reaction in all its terrible glory and nothing more. There's nothing wrong with being frustrated but...be reasonable, please. If this is all it took to shake your faith in the dev team then you didn't have any to begin with.

[boopadoop]

no.... things happen, sometimes mood changes drastically. unless it's a friend who habitually flakes i wouldn't hold it against them, and i think having such brittle faith in them is kinda stanky :t especially when they're so distraught over canceling/delaying as yoshi p was. he really didn't want to do it, but the game is that important to him, and i appreciate that. i'm not disappointed at all. i'm thankful he'd rather hold back on release until he's satisfied. he deserves a lot of love, and the rest of the team, too. i know people took off and yeah that kinda sucks but use that time for something else then. sleeb or something. there's the animal crossing nov 5th update lol

[Saimeren]

If this is all it took to shake your faith in the dev team then you didn't have any to begin with.

You're right. Because I'm a new player that started in April. I haven't had the time to develop that trust with them yet. All I have to go on is here say. My first major interaction with them is them letting me down. It's them going back on their word. So where's the trust to be had there? How am I supposed to have confidence in someone who betrays that trust the first time it's presented?

I didn't play the Shadowbringers patches while they were current content. (on release) So I have no personal reference for their release history.

All I have to go off of is "Hey, we're releasing the expansion on November 19th for you to play.. Oh, wait.. No we're not. Sucks to be you."

Yoshi-P can take the blame all he wants, and he can cry on stream all he wants, but in reality, he doesn't care about you. As people have said, this is a multi-(b)million dollar company, and the decision likely lies with the higher-ups in the company. So he's either doing "last minute checks" in which case they could simple be hotfixed in the week following, or it wasn't his decision. Either way, he either doesn't care about our time, or he's lying to us.

At least that's what it feels like.

[Shin96]

Plus this gives them more time to fix DRK.

Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

[Elkanah]

Hopefully this means no Raubahn savage on early access like we did with Stormblood. If this two extra weeks prevents that, I'm all in.

[StriderShinryu]

First, we already have several threads about this. Your issue is not special enough to require a new one.

Second, I love this narrative that some people have come up with that YoshiP is getting off of this scott free and that he just did this on a whim. You think your vacation time matters? Cool. What about the staff members who may have had vacation time booked after release that now have their vacation time pushed back and they will basically end up blaming it on YoshiP? What about the staff who YoshiP all but basically just publically called out because their work wasn't up to par as per his inspection and required him to delay the game because of. I bet they're having a great time now. You think YoshiP enjoyed going into the SE boardroom and telling the other executives that they had to push the release date back only to basically be told "You know, if this was anybody else's game they would be in serious shit but we have to let you get away with it?" Yeah, real fun. Or how about how he's now having people saying that any trust of or belief they had in him is now gone after 8+ years because he missed one release date by 2 weeks? Yeah, even more fun.

It sucks that your scheduled vacation time didn't work out. Mine didn't either, and it's too late to change my vacation time. Of course, I'm not happy. No one is. No one including YoshiP and his team. So, yeah, get over yourself. Life will go on.

[DBriggs304]

We didn't need another one.

[Darkpaw]

You're right. Because I'm a new player that started in April. I haven't had the time to develop that trust with them yet. All I have to go on is here say. My first major interaction with them is them letting me down. It's them going back on their word. So where's the trust to be had there? How am I supposed to have confidence in someone who betrays that trust the first time it's presented?

I didn't play the Shadowbringers patches while they were current content. (on release) So I have no personal reference for their release history.

All I have to go off of is "Hey, we're releasing the expansion on November 19th for you to play.. Oh, wait.. No we're not. Sucks to be you."

Yoshi-P can take the blame all he wants, and he can cry on stream all he wants, but in reality, he doesn't care about you. As people have said, this is a multi-(b)million dollar company, and the decision likely lies with the higher-ups in the company. So he's either doing "last minute checks" in which case they could simple be hotfixed in the week following, or it wasn't his decision. Either way, he either doesn't care about our time, or he's lying to us.

At least that's what it feels like.

Or you are bitter over past experiences and taking it out on a dev team. You can say he doesn’t care. His previous actions since he has taken over this game prove different.

Your unwillingness to do research or accept that this community has more reason to trust this dev team than your word and your experience just presents you as bitter and entitled. Like this dev team or this multi billion dollar company did all of this to slight you personally.

We all acknowledge it sucks but we all said flat out that this dev team has earned each and every one of our trusts over years of work and effort.

He may not care about us individually but he cares about us as a collective because without us he cant do what he does. (Though I’d argue he cares more about people than you give credit for. He cared enough to ask about Asmongold’s mom in the media tour info)

And to illuminate your wither feigned or willful ignorance. Have you never proof read an assignment the night before it’s due and gone “Oh shit this paragraph doesn’t make as strong a point as i want it to, this needs punctuation! This needs to be clarified!” And scrambled to get it done. That’s essentially what happened.

Have some empathy and understanding for other people. The dev team is not this monolith “multi billion dollar company” they are a group of people doing their best and being more open and honest than any game developer would. They are human beings and deserve some basic compassion.

[Alaray]

I'd rather have a polished, finished product than a potentially messy one or one that's very specifically broken in 1 particular way.

I'm not a fan of the trend in the industry of releasing products not ready for market, because they can be hotfixed later.

Expansion was already delayed before, it's coming off the back of the COVID situation, there was an unprecedented boom in popularity very recently. I mean, I wasn't the only one who wasn't surprised they felt the need to delay it a bit more and if there was any chance of that happening, I wouldn't have taken off for it to begin with -- that is, very much, a personal decision that should be made based around knowledge of the factors going on with a splash of "if it's delayed, then what?" thinking. Or even a "if the game's not operational for three days, then what?" thought at the very least.

I don't really feel sympathy, I can understand it's a bummer but at the end of the day I'd rather have something polished and fully operational rather than something that might not be just because people took vacation days off for the launch.

Even if it was a two week delay to just say "our development/QA team needs time from the work they had to put in recently prior to the workload launch will bring" I'd be fine with that. I can't really imagine what their workload has been like over the last year, but I know there's 0 chance it was anything close to light.