FFXIV 6.0 comes out December 7th. Pre-release is December 3rd

[VirusOnline]

It's unfortunate, but deadlines are also hard to estimate. For those who know the software development world, unforseen things simply happen. This is the world of software development and delays will happen, especially with current events. And I can tell you from experience how emotionally distressing it is when we can't deliver on time. To some it can be debilitating or even humiliating. Please remember these are humans, too, who have probably had their adjust their personal life plans at some point to deliver to you an amazing product that you greatly enjoy.

[Kes13a]

The only kind of “blame” or “fault” I’ve really seen in this thread is mostly what you voiced: people just wish the development team had given a better heads up about this. But I don’t recall seeing anyone attacking the development team personally in here. I’ve read the entire thread thus far, but maybe I missed some posts in the midst of replying.



This logic can be used against you as well: if you have a problem with people venting on a public forum (especially THIS forum, which is known for venting—heck, one of the largest threads on here is a Duty Finder venting thread), then don’t come to a public forum. You aren’t the Internet Police, and you can’t tell people not to vent online.

Besides, forums exist for discussion and feedback. Hopefully this thread can be used as something constructive for SE in the future when it comes to announcing delays—ideally to not do it so close to release.

a better heads up would be ideal, problem is, bugs dont tend to notify you in advance that they will be found or respect time management plans. also, it could appear minor of the surface, then when looked into, touch more aspects of the software than originally thought. sure, it may not have been game but maybe server code, who knows, we arent at those meetings. a month would have been nice warning time, but thats not always possible. unless they release meeting notes or recordings it is hard to say exactly why they were forced to delay, but I doubt it was an easy decision.

I agree its normal to be upset, even be upset when vacation plans change, but it happens, sorry it does, but it does. sorry it didnt work out how we wanted or planned but life is unpredictable that way.

[Duskane]

Oh piss off. I work in Healthcare on this planet in this time period. I'm not going to feel sorry for game developers not delivering on their promises. Is it the end of the world my vacation is ruined? No. But I needed to get away. Now instead of feeling like I'm getting away when the game launches, it'll feel more like I'm working there. I know, boohoo. Don't tell me I don't get to be pissed about it though.

yeah i don't think ill change my time off
it still gives me 2 weeks with the game just sad ive been so excited for endwalker i basically have 5 work days left but these pass few months have been really rough and stressful to me feel like someone with greater power is testing my patients before EW release

[Vahlnir]

a better heads up would be ideal, problem is, bugs dont tend to notify you in advance that they will be found or respect time management plans. also, it could appear minor of the surface, then when looked into, touch more aspects of the software than originally thought. sure, it may not have been game but maybe server code, who knows, we arent at those meetings. a month would have been nice warning time, but thats not always possible. unless they release meeting notes or recordings it is hard to say exactly why they were forced to delay, but I doubt it was an easy decision.

I agree its normal to be upset, even be upset when vacation plans change, but it happens, sorry it does, but it does. sorry it didnt work out how we wanted or planned but life is unpredictable that way.

Yep. It's not something that they wanted to do. This was probably a worst case scenario. They, Yoshi P specifically it would appear, felt obligated to do so.

[MaikoRaines]

A damn shame about the delay but I mean, I'd rather have a game that's tested and ironed out as best as possible than a flaming pile of "oops" and then it's Rabahn EX all over again. For me it just makes me more confident in Yoshi P's decision and the dev team.

It also is unfortunate that people who scheduled the time off to get in are upset - and I get it. In the development world of games and tech nothing EVER goes according to plan. I feel bad and hopefully y'all will be able to work around it.

They could of taken every team member and work on it instead of developing the dumb seasonal events that are a repeat every year. At least it could be done. Makes you wonder what was being done

Yeah. I mean y'know, making content for the largest expansion to date, as they've mentioned over and over again, not to mention trying to adjust numbers for DPS, HP etc, scaling figures, basic QA, Zoning, adding new functions, removing older functions, designing characters, gear, monsters, dialogue - Yeah... wonder where they were? ..../s

And as a company, if they set a deadline at which the game will be released, it's their responsibility to make sure they meet it. SPECIALLY since content was cut in order to meet this deadline, and specially with the amount of attention the game's been getting lately

Just gonna go out on a limb here slugger and just assume you've never worked in the gaming development industry.

It's their responsibility to release a game. Period. It's also their responsibility to ensure that it's released with minimal issues. Game delays happen to many companies often. Especially during a time where there's a pandemic on a global scale. Timelines always aren't bulletproof even in the early days of games before DLC and Expansions. There's no golden rule or any rule that states they "ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO THE THING ON TIME!" to summarize what you've said, with caplocks on.

For the ones who are doom and gloom and saying "This is the last straw! How dare you?!" or feeled they are owed something by the dev team or comments to that in nature - there's an unsubscribe button. Do feel free to use it at your leisure. I'm above the negative entitled nonsense and people like you will not be missed honestly. Make some room on the bandwidth for the rest of us who want to keep the ping low.

[NefarioCall]

I'm fortunate in that this does kind of work out for me. I've been wanting to get work done on my job, and there's just no way that was gunna happen, but now I have two weeks to get work done so... sure? Eh. I can feel for everyone who actually has to keep a strict schedule though. I'm just also glad to know Yoshi-P and company CAN do this if they need to. I mean, SE used to be notorious for rushing things...

[thegreatonemal]

The only kind of “blame” or “fault” I’ve really seen in this thread is mostly what you voiced: people just wish the development team had given a better heads up about this. But I don’t recall seeing anyone attacking the development team personally in here. I’ve read the entire thread thus far, but maybe I missed some posts in the midst of replying.



This logic can be used against you as well: if you have a problem with people venting on a public forum (especially THIS forum, which is known for venting—heck, one of the largest threads on here is a Duty Finder venting thread), then don’t come to a public forum. You aren’t the Internet Police, and you can’t tell people not to vent online.

Besides, forums exist for discussion and feedback. Hopefully this thread can be used as something constructive for SE in the future when it comes to announcing delays—ideally to not do it so close to release.

You seem to think I have an issue with the reverse I can tell you to stop, just as you are free to keep going. You'd do well to stop taking offense to it as you should already know people will have something to say about it.
Forums exists for feedback and this isn't feedback. You were informed of the reason for the delay, you don't have to like it but it is what it is. There's nothing for them to learn from your whining, they already know people made plans and took off work.

[HyoMinPark]

Mate. I am just explaining how they wouldn't be so disappointed, had they considered things. If that's talking down to people. Then damn the world must be a harsh place for some. If I took time off for a game.. and it got my plans all ruined, am i really allowed to be mad at the developers? I feel like it would be my fault.. for expecting something that is not in my control to go smoothly.

Who do you get mad at when a company fails to deliver a product to you? I don’t think it’s realistic to get mad at yourself for something like that—vacation time being a factor or not. Someone is going to be the source of a person’s ire/upset/disappointment. And that’s fine—as long as they are being reasonable about it. I don’t see many in this thread being unreasonable when they post about why they are upset about this. Most are fairly calm; and most are just upset that the delay was announced so late.

Maybe that phrase was worded wrongly. But still the other points of expecting delays, and people wouldn't be upset.

I have to agree that yes, perhaps it could have been worded better. If we want to just chalk this up to a semantics argument, then fine. But your words were “just don’t be upset”. That’s still telling someone how to feel. Even with the addendum of “if things don’t go as planned”/your quip about “if people had considered things”. It is extremely easy for such a phrase to come off as condescending. There’s no real way to excuse that.

However, there has never been a precedent set in this game for delays when a hard date for a release has been set. EW’s delay seems especially harsh because we already know content was cut out of late ShB to make sure that development time could be fully dedicated to EW-related preparation and activities. And there was no talk about the mere possibility of there being further delays than what we already had (since expansions have been routinely released in late June/early July, and the developers were transparent that COVID cost them about two months of development time).

And yes I started my first post... off in this thread, like that. Cause you know why? someone needs to tell them.

No. No one needs to tell anyone how to utilize their time off. That’s not anyone’s business but the person using the PTO. Not mine. Not yours. Not Yoshida’s or SE’s. Just their’s. There is no reason to tell anyone how to spend their time. With regards to anything, really. Not just vacation time.

We are not far off from having people in these threads bullying the developers, to the point they CUT communication completely between the devs and the players. We are one bad incident from a developer getting death threats, them cutting communication off from the playerbase.. and then there is none. Then the game falls into chaos.

Bullying? Death threats? No one is bullying the development team here. Criticizing them is not bullying. And death threats? As crazy as these forums get, most here would agree that sending death threats to a developer is uncalled for, and would rightfully shame the sender for it. I get that they’re a thing that happens, but that’s not what is happening here. Far from it.

a better heads up would be ideal, problem is, bugs dont tend to notify you in advance that they will be found or respect time management plans. also, it could appear minor of the surface, then when looked into, touch more aspects of the software than originally thought. sure, it may not have been game but maybe server code, who knows, we arent at those meetings. a month would have been nice warning time, but thats not always possible. unless they release meeting notes or recordings it is hard to say exactly why they were forced to delay, but I doubt it was an easy decision.

I agree its normal to be upset, even be upset when vacation plans change, but it happens, sorry it does, but it does. sorry it didnt work out how we wanted or planned but life is unpredictable that way.

This wasn’t about bugs, though—it was announced WHY the game was delayed, and it had nothing to do with programming bugs. Yoshida said that they wanted to fine-tune the lore. And then there was the server stability issues that came up during QA—and those have been known about for weeks.

You seem to think I have an issue with the reverse I can tell you to stop, just as you are free to keep going. You'd do well to stop taking offense to it as you should already know people will have something to say about it.
Forums exists for feedback and this isn't feedback. You were informed of the reason for the delay, you don't have to like it but it is what it is. There's nothing for them to learn from your whining, they already know people made plans and took off work.

This thread is feedback. If they took the time to read comments about how people wished they had more time to rearrange schedules, they can use that for future announcements should this happen again. The needless white-knighting is all irrelevant, though.

[Wyssahtyn]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5ce5b1eab136ee

"The biggest factor behind the release date change was my own selfishness as the game’s director. ... As a result, we remained firmly resolved to adjust down to the smallest nuances and ensure our writing covers even the finest points of the vast and intricate story that has spanned these past 11 years since the original FFXIV to ensure that everyone can fully enjoy their adventure in Endwalker. Unfortunately, the consequence of this was that we ended up in a situation where we cut into the time required for final quality assurance checks due to this time spent on additional improvements."

This is what y'all are defending. Man was literally nitpicking the entire development and caused this. There aren't any game-breaking bugs (that they haven't discovered yet seeing as how they had to put off their last QA process lmao), just a whole lot of nitpicking over fine details. In other words, an extremely poor management decision.

[lezard21]

They have to delay it a couple weeks, that's fine, give them the time they need to fix their issues because they sure as heck don't enjoy telling you that the release date that's been anticipated for months is actually not a viable day for them and now everyone has to change their plans on short notice

Yeah, sorry, but that's not how it works in general. You don't notice 2 weeks earlier that you won't be making a deadline unless

a) you procastrinated and started working on said project 2 weeks before the deadline (which we know was not the case here)
b) an unexpected major incident happened (doesn't sound like it)

What this sounds like is devs knowing they needed extra time but superiors/execs telling them to crunch it till it eventually became apparent to them that that was not gonna happen, hence the 2 weeks notice.