Beastmaster and Sanctury Island

[RicaRuin]

A class that tames monsters isn't a limited job, it's a standard fantasy trope. Once more, if WoW figured out how to make it work in 2004, then so can FFXIV without reducing the job to *solely* a minigame. That isn't to say that they would be banned from taming/raising pets, we just want a job that can do actual current content in the expansion we're in.

If for whatever reason they cannot get the pet AI to work well enough then a system that combines pet attacks in the form of Reaper's Avatar attacks or Summoner's demi/jewel summons would also work nicely. The word "limited" should not be in anyone's vocabulary when discussing FFXIV's future if SE is supposedly unafraid to spare any expense moving forward.

Developing a full job that has a side thing should not be a big deal to them then.

Wasn't the point from another Thread to not make FF XIV like WoW?
Also, comparing a full Job with Beast raising as extra to another full Job having 3 pet Glamours isn't really that much balanced, is it?


I wouldn't mind Beastmaster as a limited job if that means raising and customising skills of beasts to use them in full Pokemon-like battles against other players. However, that would be a lot of work and not possible on top of it being a fully fleshed out Job.


Edit: To clarify, it would be co to have a full job with a full side feature, but I fear the 'rat tail (don't have the proper English term, German idiom) that comes with it. Other Jobs would then clamor to get full side features as well, rightfully so, but it comes at the cost of less other content.

[aveyond-dreams]

Not like the bad parts of WoW, of course. However WoW does have a blueprint for a full job that is as close to Beastmaster as it can be. It would be quite disappointing to see this sort of ranger with pets archtype locked to...a pokemon minigame. I do not believe "raising and customizing abilities of pets!" will go anywhere if we see their past work with Blue Mage where almost all their spells are repeats. With a different radius, at best.

I'd rather have a few, useful, and well-designed pets that can be called temporarily or a variety of pets we can tame in the overworld that have the same level of power among them for the sake of game balance. The year is 2021. I'm sure they can figure it out.

[Sotaris]

Why would you compare BST to something in WoW when it already exist in FF11 and other FF titles?

[Jkap_Goat]

Not like the bad parts of WoW, of course. However WoW does have a blueprint for a full job that is as close to Beastmaster as it can be. It would be quite disappointing to see this sort of ranger with pets archtype locked to...a pokemon minigame. I do not believe "raising and customizing abilities of pets!" will go anywhere if we see their past work with Blue Mage where almost all their spells are repeats. With a different radius, at best.

I'd rather have a few, useful, and well-designed pets that can be called temporarily or a variety of pets we can tame in the overworld that have the same level of power among them for the sake of game balance. The year is 2021. I'm sure they can figure it out.

Beastmaster was in FFXI and people still use it in groups

[GaleMex]

As someone who is an enormous fan of beast tamers as a fantasy concept (4E Beastmastery and Sscred Huntsmaster, and Cavalier are big <3), I am also on the foolishly hopeful camp that if we ever get BST, it'll be a full job.

I would be fine if it gets an egi glamour system and that's the extent of its taming aesthetic. Just a visual choice of "do you want a bird? wolf? bear? flan?" that has no mechanical repercussion. I actually think that would be ideal.

[Savagelf]

the way i seem summoner is it return to be way it should be so egi glamour system seem to be a thing of past which is good we get summon not Egi so summoner should rejoice the devs heard us i hope they now start add more summon and carbruncles endwalker brought Primes for summoner to summon

i want bst at first to be full then realize that it is very complex job with alot concept wouldn't be possible kind like blue mage is both very complex aren't possible as full job a limit job yes because different concept i want bst to be hybrid job where you fight side by side with your beast.

[Vrankyl]

I have no problem with a full Beastmaster job being able to participate in a pet raising minigame. Bard has Performance, Summoner can glam their pets, White Mage gets a free Unicorn, and Tanks have their mounts. It is perfectly ok for full jobs to have an extra thing.

That being said, the aesthetic of a hunter/ranger who tames beasts is not something that should be reduced to a limited job in this or any game. Instead of a limited Beast Master, I would rather they focus on giving us 3 full jobs at expansion launches like they did in Heavensward. Limited jobs are a waste of resources and rob the playerbase of both classic FF jobs to use in current content and classic fantasy tropes in general.

In any case, if other mmorpgs can figure it out then so can FFXIV. See: Beast Mastery Hunter in WoW

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-...-pve-dps-guide

We are never ever getting three jobs at expansion launch again. They have flat out said no, just like we will never get a job mid expansion like Ninja again either. Nor do I blame them. The state of MCH was a gods awful at launch, AST wasn't much better, and only DRK was good at start.

That said, Beastmaster could possibly be a thing, but I think they need to keep working on improving their pet AI some more first. Once they do that there is no need to limit it like Blue Mage, instead just give it the same treatment egis got and label mobs as tank, melee dps, or ranged dps.

[Lunalepsy]

A class that tames monsters isn't a limited job, it's a standard fantasy trope. Once more, if WoW figured out how to make it work in 2004, then so can FFXIV without reducing the job to *solely* a minigame. That isn't to say that they would be banned from taming/raising pets, we just want a job that can do actual current content in the expansion we're in.

If for whatever reason they cannot get the pet AI to work well enough then a system that combines pet attacks in the form of Reaper's Avatar attacks or Summoner's demi/jewel summons would also work nicely. The word "limited" should not be in anyone's vocabulary when discussing FFXIV's future if SE is supposedly unafraid to spare any expense moving forward.

Developing a full job that has a side thing should not be a big deal to them then.

Totally agree with your statement.

[MikkoAkure]

I have no problem with a full Beastmaster job being able to participate in a pet raising minigame. Bard has Performance, Summoner can glam their pets, White Mage gets a free Unicorn, and Tanks have their mounts. It is perfectly ok for full jobs to have an extra thing.

That being said, the aesthetic of a hunter/ranger who tames beasts is not something that should be reduced to a limited job in this or any game. Instead of a limited Beast Master, I would rather they focus on giving us 3 full jobs at expansion launches like they did in Heavensward. Limited jobs are a waste of resources and rob the playerbase of both classic FF jobs to use in current content and classic fantasy tropes in general.

In any case, if other mmorpgs can figure it out then so can FFXIV. See: Beast Mastery Hunter in WoW

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-...-pve-dps-guide

I wouldn't hold your breath, considering Yoshi-P already said in an interview that if Beastmaster and Puppetmaster ever become real, they would be limited jobs.

On top of that, he's already said that pets are a balancing nightmare and we've seen SMN, SCH, and MCH pets scaled back every single expansion to the point where they may as well not exist anymore.

[Blueyes]

I wouldn't hold your breath, considering Yoshi-P already said in an interview that if Beastmaster and Puppetmaster ever become real, they would be limited jobs.

Heather Alexandra, Kotaku: But how do you decide what is or is not limited? For Blue Mage, it seemed to rest in how difficult it was to control when players unlocked certain skills. Is there another job that you want to have in-game but only see working as a limited class? Beastmaster, for instance?

Yoshida: ... By utilizing this concept of limited jobs, I feel that it could potentially open up possibilities to explore the addition of jobs such as like Puppetmaster and Beastmaster.

- Kotaku

Unless you can find a quote that says otherwise, Yoshi-P only suggested that Puppetmaster and Beastmaster could be implemented as future limited jobs. And this was in response to someone specifically asking about Beastmaster as a limited job. He did not say that adding them as limited jobs was the one and only option. Words like could, potentially, and possibility should not be taken as absolute.