From 15 years WoW to FF

[Xaruko_Nexume]

My only worry about the influx of wow players is that they'll beg the final fantasy xiv team for changes that can potentially F up the game

This is the true concern. Mythic+, harder small group content, and competitive non-sense that breeds toxicity, that is the very thing I thought we WoW refugees wanted to get away from. If someone wants that, they should play WoW and maybe try not to ruin the best MMORPG ever made.

[Illmaeran]

My only worry about the influx of wow players is that they'll beg the final fantasy xiv team for changes that can potentially F up the game

I very much share this concern and bet that most long-time XIV players, and even a number of fairly recent WoW Refugees, share this sentiment. I've stuck with XIV for all the reasons it's *not* WoW and I do not want this game I enjoy so much to lose those things in favor of catering to a group of players who only recently, in the past year or so, started playing. It's a matter of a group of people who are playing the game, not because of what it is, but because other games got so bad that they sought out "the next best thing/substitute" and will likely not stick around en masse when the New Hotness comes out asking for things that will likely change the tone of the game and community significantly for the long haul.

I respect that this group are paying customers too, but I would argue their level of investment in the game is not nearly that of long-term players. Those of us who have been with the game for many years and want to stick with this game for years to come are in this position for what the game is and what the game is not. Adding things that the game currently isn't (Mythic+ and similar things) for the sake of short-term gains risks disenfranchising more long-term players, than new players it will retain. I pray SE sticks to its philosophy, makes sure the game remains the beautiful creation it has been since I started playing 7 years ago, and doesn't add things that caused me (many of us) to stop playing other games in the past.

[Liam_Harper]

My only worry about the influx of wow players is that they'll beg the final fantasy xiv team for changes that can potentially F up the game

FF14 was inspired by WoW, the devs have played it and they know perfectly well which parts of WoW they want to use and which parts they want to avoid.

Also many WoW players left the game because it's bad. They aren't going to demand FF14 adapts any of the things that they literally quit a game over. They'll be the ones who will be quite happy with what they've got, it's the FF14 veterans who have exhausted the content and are bored or burnt out who tend to demand big changes.

[Kolsykol]

My only worry about the influx of wow players is that they'll beg the final fantasy xiv team for changes that can potentially F up the game

I doubt this tbh, the devs seem to have a lot of confidence in themselves.
Both for good and for bad, I've played MNK since ARR and I don't exactly feel listened to.
But nothing will ever be perfect.

But if the devs are competent which they are in this case then I prefer selective listening over just giving into everything the '' community '' wants.
Which tends to be the very loud minority on Reddit or forums which are often not an accurate representation of the average player ( on Reddit they often don't even play the game, anyone can post on Reddit ).

[BaconBits]

I doubt this tbh, the devs seem to have a lot of confidence in themselves.
Both for good and for bad, I've played MNK since ARR and I don't exactly feel listened to.
But nothing will ever be perfect.

But if the devs are competent which they are in this case then I prefer selective listening over just giving into everything the '' community '' wants.
Which tends to be the very loud minority on Reddit or forums which are often not an accurate representation of the average player ( on Reddit they often don't even play the game, anyone can post on Reddit ).

Don't forgot the ol' bird app.

[Kolsykol]

Don't forgot the ol' bird app.

Ah yes, the app where like 10% of the users make up for 80+% of the activity and yet for some reason so much of media have decided that it's indicative of society at large.

[StriderShinryu]

I very much share this concern and bet that most long-time XIV players, and even a number of fairly recent WoW Refugees, share this sentiment. I've stuck with XIV for all the reasons it's *not* WoW and I do not want this game I enjoy so much to lose those things in favor of catering to a group of players who only recently, in the past year or so, started playing. It's a matter of a group of people who are playing the game, not because of what it is, but because other games got so bad that they sought out "the next best thing/substitute" and will likely not stick around en masse when the New Hotness comes out asking for things that will likely change the tone of the game and community significantly for the long haul.

I respect that this group are paying customers too, but I would argue their level of investment in the game is not nearly that of long-term players. Those of us who have been with the game for many years and want to stick with this game for years to come are in this position for what the game is and what the game is not. Adding things that the game currently isn't (Mythic+ and similar things) for the sake of short-term gains risks disenfranchising more long-term players, than new players it will retain. I pray SE sticks to its philosophy, makes sure the game remains the beautiful creation it has been since I started playing 7 years ago, and doesn't add things that caused me (many of us) to stop playing other games in the past.

This has always been my issue as well. Though honestly it's much less prevalent now that even the WoW fans who have chosen to play 14 aren't exactly trumpeting how great WoW is. If you're going to play 14, and I'm happy that so many people have at least tried it, it should be because of what 14 offers. It shouldn't be because "it's not WoW" and if your first comments about 14 are about what it should (or NEEDS) to take from WoW than, well, you're playing the wrong game and maybe you really should just go back to WoW. 14 is far from perfect but the vast majority of the 14 player base are playing it because it's 14 and don't want it to be WoW, regardless of the often fairly clear inspiration that WoW has served as in some regards.

[Larirawiel]

My only worry about the influx of wow players is that they'll beg the final fantasy xiv team for changes that can potentially F up the game

In this case FF14 should be already f****d up because it is basically a copy of an earlier version of WoW.

Cheers

[Kolsykol]

Yoshi P is pretty aware of how bad of a state WoW is in and how much they've messed up.
It kinda begs the question why they'd decide to copy it now.

Especially when what they've been doing has been so successful it just doesn't make any logical sense.
Remember that he literally questioned whether the devs even play the game, so why would he look to that game to take inspiration from?

[Lunalepsy]

1-40 at least needs a total overhaul. It's the hardest rite of passage known to man and only few survive it

Actually, I find it engaging. It feels less cyclical than what it is today.