Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Lunalepsy]

It will pass. It's just the talk of the realm!

[Kolaina]

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My point is you take the part u don’t like, ignoring the important parts. You skip the msg because ur feelings took over

[Gothicshark]

... I'm glad they finally cracked down on the ERP...

It wont have an effect on ERP, and they can still advertise but they will be forced to be non-specific in their ads. Which is fine, let them do what they want, as long as its not out in the open.

[Gothicshark]

Player A: B, you're doing this part wrong.
Player B: I understand, I'll try harder.
Player A: You understand the mechanics? Want me to teach you?
Player B: I do understand, I'm OK. Thank you.
Player A: You sure you understand? You keep on screwing up. You should do [something] on [something].
Player B: I understand, I'm sorry.
Player A: You sure? If you don't know let me know, ok? B, you're screwing up so many times, you're really dragging this out for us.
Player B: I'm sorry.

This is apparently a reportable offense by Player A.

Even before the clarification I would have reported "Player A" nothing wrong with offering help, but constantly nagging someone like your example is a sure way to get reported by me even if I'm not in the conversation. It's a passive aggressive way to bully someone, and I will not tolerate a Bully.

[Kaurhz]

My point is you take the part u don’t like, ignoring the important parts. You skip the msg because ur feelings took over

No I took full awareness into the key points of anyone I've ever addressed. I'll even summarise them for you again:

- Freedom of Speech does not negate the freedom of consequence. You are liable for sanctions, whether what you say it rude, or just outright criminal. For the guy that seems to think this is a matter of his freedom of speech being impeded on.

- You having an unstable internet connection is not going to get you banned. You repeatedly having an 'unstable' internet connection at very convenient points when things just aren't going your way can easily be construed as intentional.

- Except in many cases with people, the inability of reflection is equally as occurrent as someone having a thin skin, as pretty much exhibited by any case of someone asking why they were banned, parading they were innocent, and then showing logs which directly contradicted their innocent. - I pretty much implied here that both ends of the spectrum are equally as guilty. But ultimately whether someone gets offended or not is irrelevant. It's up for the GM to decide whether what you've said or implied can be construed as against the Terms of Service. The player just makes the report, and the GM conducts an investigation, so it's as simple as be civil and courteous.

- Another one, in that the vote dismiss has been a key feature, as has the explicit rule involving it that you can be sanctioned for the inappropriate use of the vote dismiss. In fact several times in the past GMs have stated that "Unfortunately, a difference in playstyle is a valid use of vote dismiss"

- My first and probably foremost importance is that people have largely had a hyperbolic reaction to this, taking into account that many of these clauses already existed beforehand so very little has changed barring the fact they wanted to add 'more clarity' into what does and doesn't constitute a violation, with many of them just getting clarification, and yes I have the archive of it.

and then finally, my little quote. I'm surprised this was even taken seriously, it was merely an example that anyone can find any ubiquitous quote on the internet in an attempt to install it as wholly applicable. I can find a number of philosopher's or psychologists' quote for whatever agenda I have in my mind. - The moment you hop into this realm you're just being ostentatious.

But yes my point has always, and will always be that it should not be of your concern if you continue to do what you're doing on a routine basis. Aside from that just be considerate. My responses are founded on the fundamental reasoning of "Why are you even concerned in the first place as many of these rules already existed"

Now if you want to create a response that many of these examples are poorly created, or don't necessarily reflect the content you might typically see in a report (e.g. too formal), then I may be inclined to agree. But thus far all I see is a lodestone post that has been blown way out of proportions on the forums.

[Gothicshark]

- Freedom of Speech does not negate the freedom of consequence. ...

Even more so when the platform is a videogame where the speech is fully under the authority of the game company. They if they wanted could ban the Use of the word Blue. And make rules written so they could cancel your game client for the use of the word Blue.

It might seem unfair, but if you read the TOS that you agree to, you give all those rights away while playing their game. The fact no game has yet included any crazy rules for chat is actually amazing esp when some games have "you sell your soul" clause in the TOS as a joke.

- You having an unstable internet connection is not going to get you banned.

Recently in Praetor I reported someone for this. They were telling others to do it as well, so I'm sure they got a big Ban.

It's up for the GM to decide whether what you've said or implied can be construed as against the Terms of Service.

One could say I have the thinnest of skins, I don't precipitate often in Chat. But I make many Player Reports when I see Toxic behavior. Any bullying, any Cheating, any trolling, I will report them, no warnings, no comments, no indication I was aware of chat, I just hit the report Button, which I have key bound. Then I copy paste the Chat logs.

- Another one, in that the vote dismiss has been a key feature,

I will use it if I see a Tank or Healer without a Job stone past level 30. I will use Vote Kick otherwise. And if it fails I'll just leave. I will not comment though.

[Sicno]

yup... nothing. the system stayed in place and there werent thousands of banned innocent players

Maybe it's not "thousands" but it's not "nothing" either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y051kcdLiw

[Kolaina]

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Idk why you’re bringin freedom of speech into when I nor maximum carnage, the person you originally responded to brought it up. Who even are you addressing at this point

[Kes13a]

Maybe it's not "thousands" but it's not "nothing" either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y051kcdLiw

cute, but what I was talking about was brought in years ago. I also never said the number was nothing. I only said that there not thousands of innocents banned as the forums were saying there would be with the "draconian" measure Blizzard was introducing. And by years, it has likely been at least 4 or 5. so... in reality, one occurence.. and as they say in the video, basically proof that WoW is killing itself...

so ifs that all you have, I have to say thats a vindication of the system more than anything else. Blizzards current idea of "thorough investigation" obviously leaves much to be desired.

[Sicno]

cute

How condescending! That's rude.

(I'm not serious. But see how easy it is to twist something fairly innocent into something more hostile than intended?)

in reality, one occurence..

The way he says "and yes, for those who are wondering like, mass reporting is a thing in World of Warcraft as a mean of trolling people" makes me believe it may be more common that you believe and you just didn't get to personally see it. Maybe it's more prevalent in certain circles like raiding or pvp.