Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Shin96]

About time I say. I was so annoyed by seeing these clear sellers and now they're gone; effectively zero.

Now I can actually help people and use PF more often without being annoyed.

[KageTokage]

I've seen a couple cheeky content sellers trying to use vague wording to delay their bans but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't posting the listings in the right section and they eventually got purged regardless.

Now if only they could address the rampant botting.

[Halivel]

I think the concern is that people who are often aggressively sensitive tend to report over the most minor things. I've had a BLM say they're going to report me as I suggested they not sure Fire III to spam but that it's like a stance switch. I couldn't have worded it in a nicer way but they lost it at me.

Just last week a friend asked a tank to move the enemies back into their doton for the tank to lose it and intentionally move it out of every doton, give us a lecture on how they play ninja in savage raids and know it better than them and that they should only doton when the tank says so. I say "maybe don't give a lecture on how to play ninja when you don't even use Arm's Length or line of sight enemies to pull the ranged into a pack" and they then stood still and said they were reporting me.

I think it's important to remember that GMs aren't robots - they don't issue punishment on cooldown as soon as they recieve report. Plus, as MilkieTea noted, these rules are something what was pretty much always in place. What changed is SE first audially added them into ToS as nuinsance behaviour section and then expanded it with explanations and examples because players asked them to do so for a while. Otherwise nothing really changed in this regard.

That's not to say there aren't unjustified warnings or bans - there are from time to time. But the amount won't suddenly increase in numbers just because they added clarifications, because said clarifications do not change the way they operated with harassment reports for years (except maybe stalking section that was largerly unaddressed before).

Another thing, to be honest, is that not always people claiming they will report you means they will in fact do it. Sometimes it's pretty much an open provocation for a further conflict to make you say something what is reportable.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

About time I say. I was so annoyed by seeing these clear sellers and now they're gone; effectively zero.

Now I can actually help people and use PF more often without being annoyed.

Chaos PF currently has two people advertising RMT, which are the same people I reported yesterday and mentioned earlier in this thread. They're not gone, they moved to the "Other" category, you probably have your PF in Ascending order and didn't scroll down.

[KageTokage]

Aether had one content seller who moved to the "other" category but even they eventually disappeared so hopefully this means the GMs are actually looking into the vague listings to clarify whether or not RMT is involved.

[Lauren]

I think it's important to remember that GMs aren't robots - they don't issue punishment on cooldown as soon as they recieve report. Plus, as MilkieTea noted, these rules are something what was pretty much always in place. What changed is SE first audially added them into ToS as nuinsance behaviour section and then expanded it with explanations and examples because players asked them to do so for a while. Otherwise nothing really changed in this regard.

That's not to say there aren't unjustified warnings or bans - there are from time to time. But the amount won't suddenly increase in numbers just because they added clarifications, because said clarifications do not change the way they operated with harassment reports for years (except maybe stalking section that was largerly unaddressed before).

Another thing, to be honest, is that not always people claiming they will report you means they will in fact do it. Sometimes it's pretty much an open provocation for a further conflict to make you say something what is reportable.

Ofc, I've personally not stopped talking in game.

I'm just explaining why there's a sentiment as to why people might feel the need to be quiet.


Honestly, I used to be much chattier in this game but the "fear" of offending someone is spreading quite strong where I feel sometimes if it's even worth engaging with strangers who might snap at any point.

[Larirawiel]

But the amount won't suddenly increase in numbers just because they added clarifications, because said clarifications do not change the way they operated with harassment reports for years (except maybe stalking section that was largerly unaddressed before).

Seriously, i doubt it. One example: rezz macros. Some players had put a mean text to them ala "rezzing xyz, wasting 2000 MP" etc. But nobody knew that this was a reason for a talk with a GM so nobody wrote a report. But now, everybody knows that and if you have such macros then maybe you will wake up in a jail one day for this.

I expect way more reports because of the new TOS. Ironically report wars are what the devs wanted to prevent.

Cheers

[Lukha]

Hey its almost like what we've been telling people for years who instantly drop from certain duties, whether mentor or not. If you don't have time for the duty you get, then don't use roulette!

See, that would make sense if mentor roulette didn't have the potential to drop you into almost any duty in the game, so you legitimately don't know if you're signing up for five minutes or an hour and an half.
And to be clear, I like this about mentor roulette, it's a selling point and I am 100% not complaining about this being how it works. However, it's reasonable to queue for this roulette with the assumption that you'll be getting a dungeon, meaning ~15-30min, given that the vast majority of possibilities are dungeons. And I don't agree with people who get, say, an EX and immediately drop because they can't be bothered to try to teach, but sometimes you queue knowing you have 40 minutes before you have to be somewhere else and oops, you got Praetorium and honestly at that point it's better to politely bow out, it's not like they can't clear it down one person.

It's also incredibly unfair to say 'if you might be interrupted while playing, you shouldn't play at all,' considering that you're basically telling anyone who is a parent, and especially women, since the onus of childcare statistically falls more heavily on them even if all other factors are equal, to just not bother playing at all.

[Hatfright]

I see a lot of people afraid they're gonna be reported for something "innocent", but did you even see a report menu? It's way to much work for something that is petty. You need to be really heated about someone to actually file a proper report. Which probably won't happen if you ain't a passive-agressive dum-dum in every chat interaction.

[Lauren]

I see a lot of people afraid they're gonna be reported for something "innocent", but did you even see a report menu? It's way to much work for something that is petty. You need to be really heated about someone to actually file a proper report. Which probably won't happen if you ain't a passive-agressive dum-dum in every chat interaction.

It's the passive-aggressive dum-dums who are the kind of people who would spam the report function. I've reported people. One for racism and one for homophobic statements in alliance raids. It's not difficult to make a report. Takes less than 3 minutes to open the window, pop the info in and submit.