Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Sotaris]

I'm sorry but saying players are disgusting for using cactbot, is very amusing to read. If you really don't want to play with people who may do that, don't ever pug then.

I have yet to see any PF "require" anyone any third party application, so it feels more like many in this thread is just fearmonger people into this is new wow with DBM requirement, when it is not.

[Izscha]

I'm sorry but saying players are disgusting for using cactbot, is very amusing to read. If you really don't want to play with people who may do that, don't ever pug then.

I have yet to see any PF "require" anyone any third party application, so it feels more like many in this thread is just fearmonger people into this is new wow with DBM requirement, when it is not.

Glad we can all laugh about cacbot usage then
I did in fact even got stuff like "Dude it's really shit that you're on playstation" in several groups, we do all know what it means and i was very quick about quitting those ppl asap when things like that came up.
It's as amusing to read that it's no big deal, but you dont see me talk about it or try a sneak attack on those, sneaking isn't good, going frontal is the way.

[Hyrist]

So, just so we're up to speed - the updates to TOS added a clause that allows them to use streaming videos, and other broadcasting to allow them to crack down on violations. So while they can't scan your computer for third party tools and crack down that way (though they could adapt programs that do report that stuff if it gets truly bad.) I would issue a caution to those streaming using third party tools and mods. They is no grey area with this. It is a violation, and if you're broadcasting, they *can* crack down on it.

Will they? Donno, its their discretion and if people like the OP get salty enough, they could report it.

I don't have an opinion on it. Competing in video games has never been my style or strong suit. And I've already stated that 3rd party tools for MMOs are for me are like tool assisted Speedrunning is for other games. If that's what it takes for people to enjoy themselves, it's not my life to worry over. So long as they let me do my thing, I let them do their thing.

- up to the point where it becomes harassment of other players, it really isn't an issue for me. But the clause is there for the Game Masters to crack down on if they so choose. It's your account to risk.

[Izscha]

So, just so we're up to speed - the updates to TOS added a clause that allows them to use streaming videos, and other broadcasting to allow them to crack down on violations. So while they can't scan your computer for third party tools and crack down that way (though they could adapt programs that do report that stuff if it gets truly bad.) I would issue a caution to those streaming using third party tools and mods. They is no grey area with this. It is a violation, and if you're broadcasting, they *can* crack down on it.

Will they? Donno, its their discretion and if people like the OP get salty enough, they could report it.

I don't have an opinion on it. Competing in video games has never been my style or strong suit. And I've already stated that 3rd party tools for MMOs are for me are like tool assisted Speedrunning is for other games. If that's what it takes for people to enjoy themselves, it's not my life to worry over. So long as they let me do my thing, I let them do their thing.

- up to the point where it becomes harassment of other players, it really isn't an issue for me. But the clause is there for the Game Masters to crack down on if they so choose. It's your account to risk.

I guess they will do something if someone is actually reporting it, otherwise they wont.
It's not like they will hire ppl to watch every streamer, but someone motivated enough to bring a lot of evidence with stream timestamp and such can lead to sanctions that's how i do read it.

[Hyrist]

Yeah that's about my take on it.

A person can have opinions on who uses what third party tools. That's fine. But it's usually not streamers that become problems. It's those who follow in the wake but forget to behave like decent human beings in the process. Like all things - bad people will spoil anything.

I've seen this song and dance for too long to be fussed about it.

[Sotaris]

So, just so we're up to speed - the updates to TOS added a clause that allows them to use streaming videos, and other broadcasting to allow them to crack down on violations. So while they can't scan your computer for third party tools and crack down that way (though they could adapt programs that do report that stuff if it gets truly bad.) I would issue a caution to those streaming using third party tools and mods. They is no grey area with this. It is a violation, and if you're broadcasting, they *can* crack down on it.

Will they? Donno, its their discretion and if people like the OP get salty enough, they could report it.

I don't have an opinion on it. Competing in video games has never been my style or strong suit. And I've already stated that 3rd party tools for MMOs are for me are like tool assisted Speedrunning is for other games. If that's what it takes for people to enjoy themselves, it's not my life to worry over. So long as they let me do my thing, I let them do their thing.

- up to the point where it becomes harassment of other players, it really isn't an issue for me. But the clause is there for the Game Masters to crack down on if they so choose. It's your account to risk.

If it going to start get enforced streamers will just hide the ACT from their OBS scene, it very easy to work around.

I did in fact even got stuff like "Dude it's really shit that you're on playstation" in several groups, we do all know what it means and i was very quick about quitting those ppl asap when things like that came up.

Lack of ACT or parser period for console is pretty sad though, I know I want to know how much dps I do and how I can optimize my rotation to do more. If you get harrased over it, then that's really unfortnate and should report it.

[Izscha]

Lack of ACT or parser period for console is pretty sad though, I know I want to know how much dps I do and how I can optimize my rotation to do more. If you get harrased over it, then that's really unfortnate and should report it.

You can still play around it, but yeah that's a shame. It did not stop me to beat up that dummy for countless hours with the rotation printed on a random sheet right beside me at the time haha.

[Sotaris]

You can still play around it, but yeah that's a shame. It did not stop me to beat up that dummy for countless hours with the rotation printed on a random sheet right beside me at the time haha.

memorized a rotation isn't the issue, it more of do you do good dps or just bare minimum. Without a tool to parse that data, you can't tell.
That's why I wish SE would change their stance and implement something to the game.

[Izscha]

memorized a rotation isn't the issue, it more of do you do good dps or just bare minimum. Without a tool to parse that data, you can't tell.
That's why I wish SE would change their stance and implement something to the game.

Sure it's far from perfect, my point being was more about you can still play and start to learn without ACT, optimizing without it and seek perfection is impossible indeed.
But still even as a console player doing any fight someone will be uploading 99 % of the time, so you can learn from there.

[Nothv13]

they stopped being content creators when they violated the tos and made it appear that breaking the ToS was ok they are infact bad pr

SE has been pretty open on this, with flat out saying if you are in trouble for addons you are more than likely in trouble for something else. The EULA is to cover their butt. They just don't want people requiring them, nor using them to harass other people.

So, just so we're up to speed - the updates to TOS added a clause that allows them to use streaming videos, and other broadcasting to allow them to crack down on violations. So while they can't scan your computer for third party tools and crack down that way (though they could adapt programs that do report that stuff if it gets truly bad.) I would issue a caution to those streaming using third party tools and mods. They is no grey area with this. It is a violation, and if you're broadcasting, they *can* crack down on it.

Everywhere they mention using streams and videos is under all the harassment stuff. The area on addon literally reads like the current EULA, and we have quotes from the lead of the game about it. They are far and away more concerned about combating harassment than addons.