Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Haseno]

i wonder if they understand that by targeting me for this they are in fact breaking the rules that they claim i don't understand it's quite a nice circle

I understand you value this game, and this community. But trust me, this new TOS is not healthy for the game. One thing I noticed about FF14 players is the hysteria surrounding the idea of WoW's community. They dread it becoming that toxic. Well, there's worst things than WoW. Such harsh TOS regulation can lead to very bad outcomes. I'm only here disapproving of the TOS as a warning to others.

[MilkieTea]

And you can do all of the above without being a jerk. It's a shame that this seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of people, and yet they wonder why they get treated like children sometimes. They shouldn't need to be told to be civil to begin with, but here we are.

Did you honestly expect that the forums would attract people who understand that these rules have always been in place and have just been given further clarification? ;P

Honestly though, there’s nothing about these rules that people haven’t already been doing, the majority of the time.

“Tank stance please.” “go to the platforms to stop X mechanic.”

They’re just now clarifying that personal digs, digs at intelligence, etc are not allowed when providing help. Which yeah… it shouldn’t be.

[Haseno]

Did you honestly expect that the forums would attract people who understand that these rules have always been in place and have just been given further clarification? ;P

Honestly though, there’s nothing about these rules that people haven’t already been doing, the majority of the time.

“Tank stance please.” “go to the platforms to stop X mechanic.”

They’re just now clarifying that personal digs, digs at intelligence, etc are not allowed when providing help. Which yeah… it shouldn’t be.

Some of us dont approve of the strict stances prior to these "clarifications." The community is not as social, or as good, as people hype it up to be.

You know what most people do? They don't socialize or communicate at all. If they do, the extent of that socialization is "/o or o/."

That is a direct result of people knowing they have to walk on eggshells due to the TOS.

Hard to hype up your community as so good when people barely socialize due to fear of offending someone.

[MilkieTea]

Some of us dont approve of the strict stances prior to these "clarifications." The community is not as social, or as good, as people hype it up to be.

You know what most people do? They don't socialize or communicate at all. If they do, the extent of that socialization is "/o or o/."

That is a direct result of people knowing they have to walk on eggshells due to the TOS.

Hard to hype up your community as so good when people barely socialize due to fear of offending someone.

It’s my understanding that most adults are capable of having conversations in the real world without defaulting to rudeness. If they don’t understand how to translate that ingame, then mayhaps they should take a look at all of the people who *do* know how to translate ingame and learn from them. Not a problem at all, just ask for help in learning how to interact with adults online as you would in real life.

I’m fully capable of having meaningful interaction with people ingame. I’m able to give advice, critique, and help when necessary. I’ve not once been reported - even when dealing with people who really grate on my nerves.

[Izscha]

It’s my understanding that most adults are capable of having conversations in the real world without defaulting to rudeness. If they don’t understand how to translate that ingame, then mayhaps they should take a look at all of the people who *do* know how to translate ingame and learn from them. Not a problem at all, just ask for help in learning how to interact with adults online as you would in real life.

I’m fully capable of having meaningful interaction with people ingame. I’m able to give advice, critique, and help when necessary. I’ve not once been reported - even when dealing with people who really grate on my nerves.

So, being an hypocrite like most of ppl most of the time irl ? That's the kind of things i do love to do !

[MilkieTea]

So, being an hypocrite like most of ppl most of the time irl ? That's the kind of things i do love to do !

You don’t have to be a hypocrite to be *not rude*. But if that’s how you treat everyone in your life IRL, and it works for you to not sully your relationships and friendships, then I suppose I can’t complain if you brought that mindset into game.

[NanaWiloh]

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

I suggest people read the full update and stop jumping to conclusions.

[Izscha]

You don’t have to be a hypocrite to be *not rude*. But if that’s how you treat everyone in your life IRL, and it works for you to not sully your relationships and friendships, then I suppose I can’t complain if you brought that mindset into game.

Being rude is totally subjectiv and everyone do know that, there is the obvious aka insulting but almost everything else it all depends on ppl beliefs.
Look at this forum, a lot of ppl can't even stand someone disagreeing with them and will do anything to undermine any person that they dislike " Saying no you're wrong because X " and a lot here will say that you're rude.
So idk how what to think about all this, some are really over sensitiv and thin skinned and i'm pretty sure if they cry hard enough during their report it can lead to punishment.
I will wait to see how those new ToS works out, but it's clearly an openning to all kind of abuse and victim culture and when i say that it's ppl doing a ton over nothing and play the victim card, something that is pretty common nowadays.

[Zeich]

While I have not (to my knowledge) been reported at any point in the past, and generally consider myself a pleasant person minus the occasional vent to my FC about people being willingly bad, I too think that these rules are a bit overbearing. It's not as easy as "don't be a jerk" to people. Is the general concept and intent fine? Sure. We want a community where we can get along and enjoy the game, rather than dealing with the negative aspects that can come with socialization. But it's not always as easy as that, and the specifications feel a bit restricting in several places to the point that individuals acting in bad faith can purposefully make trouble for people they don't like or people who have slighted them even in the slightest.

Additionally, to all the people who say "well you wouldn't go up to a stranger IRL and insult them": I laugh at the remark. I've worked years and years of retail, and such treatment occurs on a daily basis, if not multiple times a day. There's always someone who isn't happy that you don't understand their thought process immediately, or is unhappy with something beyond your control like being out of stock, or gets mad because they didn't get the answer they want. Rudeness and unpleasantness are part and parcel of daily living, and you either toughen up to them because you can't do anything about it, or else you end up suffering for not being able to do so. It's not a fun reality, but it's the truth. Life's certainly no toxic mess with endless meanspiritedness, but being able to deal with the parts that -are- negative is a large part of adulthood and maturity.

Atop that, the statement is also very hyperbolic - very rarely do people go into a duty and go "hey, you suck, I hate you." Most people will generally be polite and work with you until something goes wrong. Sometimes that's immediately - a tank coming in with much lower HP than expected, meaning their gear isn't up to snuff but barely meets the requirements. It's not wrong to suggest that they may want to get better gear, as lower HP means they're more likely to die from a powerful hit or require more attention from the rest of the team to carry the extra burden they placed in their own lack of consideration. Sometimes it's because a mechanic was failed, and that caused a wipe - often people will say "hey, remember that this is how the mechanic goes." People speak as though folks are wanting to just go in and immediately tell others that they're garbage. That's not the case - harsher words usually only come about after a failure to complete a task, which means that an error was made and that people are trying to correct it.

[Baxcel]

Some of us dont approve of the strict stances prior to these "clarifications." The community is not as social, or as good, as people hype it up to be.

You know what most people do? They don't socialize or communicate at all. If they do, the extent of that socialization is "/o or o/."

That is a direct result of people knowing they have to walk on eggshells due to the TOS.

Hard to hype up your community as so good when people barely socialize due to fear of offending someone.

This could also be put to a problem of people rushing all content ingame to the point you don't have time to talk.. Wall to wall pulling prevents talking as a healer an tank so you can keep yourself or others alive and if a dps is talking they ain't dealing damage.

Next there is the fact that a lot of players are on playstation, and don't possess a way to efficiently talk. A "o/" can be saved to recent or commonly used keys on ps4/5 and typing much else can take a lot of time to do with the built-in keyboard.

Lastly I prefer the o7 letting people know I'm ready to go :3