Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Fawkes]

As Iscah just said, it's unnecessary.

The key point is the phrasing. "You can't do it any other way" and "So, stop doing that!", especially in Japanese, is insulting when a simple explanation of what the party should do is enough.
By saying "We need to do X to clear Y", you've already said "So don't do Z" without needing to say it.

Only if X and Z are mutually exclusive. Also they frame the only acceptable course of action as giving people suggestions, so if you say "why don't we try doing X to clear Y" the other person can still say "nah I'm gonna keep doing Z". It's only redundant to tell them to stop if they actually accept what you're saying and agree to do it.

To give a really dumb example:
You're eating at a Japanese restaurant and you've never used chopsticks in your life. The waiter says...

A) "Oh, here's how you hold chopsticks correctly. Let me show you"
B) "Oh, here's how you hold chopsticks correctly. Let me show you. You can't hold them any other way, so stop holding them like that!"

In B's case, yes, it's factual information, but it's also incredibly rude. There is no need to talk down to someone just because they don't know the correct way to do something.

But it's not factual, that's more like my Zurvan example. He's imposing his preference on you and calling it the only way.

The problem SE is trying to address is not a delivery of information, but doing so using basic polite manners. And it's honestly very sad that they have to spell it out so strictly.

It's not sad at all. The rules should be explicitly stated and enforced. If anything they should spell it out more.

[kaynide]

Only if X and Z are mutually exclusive. Also they frame the only acceptable course of action as giving people suggestions, so if you say "why don't we try doing X to clear Y" the other person can still say "nah I'm gonna keep doing Z". It's only redundant to tell them to stop if they actually accept what you're saying and agree to do it.

I don’t follow you here; why would you need to tell them to stop doing Z at all when your X should make it clear what to do. If Z has nothing to do with X and isn’t causing problems, who cares?

But it's not factual, that's more like my Zurvan example. He's imposing his preference on you and calling it the only way.

I hope this is being sarcastic. In Japanese etiquette there is a singular correct way to hold chopsticks… with my example happening in a Japanese restaurant. My example did not apply to other cultures.

There are numerous incorrect ways, but this is akin to holding a fork and knife in the incorrect hands or using a spoon or not when eating pasta.


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Putting ALL that aside, the waiter’s option A is still infinitely better and less aggressive than B.

A) "Oh, here's how you hold chopsticks correctly. Let me show you"

B) "Oh, here's how you hold chopsticks correctly. Let me show you. You can't hold them any other way, so stop holding them like that!"

A option allows for discussion, B doesn’t without sparking an argument…