Extreme over correction in ToS? New ToS is going to kill pugging

[CaptainLagbeard]

There are some cases I find absolutely ridiculous that they are there...

・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.

"If you can't do the mechanic well, maybe you shouldn't bother joining the party."
"If you don't understand that, you'd be wise to leave the party."
"Don't join if your equipment is that bad/such a low item level."

While the third one is a bit more rare, since you can set a required ilvl for a group...
The other two are still definitely a valid concern, as you can't tell someone to not join a clear group for practicing a fight from the start.

[LittleImp]

There are some cases I find absolutely ridiculous that they are there...

・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.

"If you can't do the mechanic well, maybe you shouldn't bother joining the party."
"If you don't understand that, you'd be wise to leave the party."
"Don't join if your equipment is that bad/such a low item level."

While the third one is a bit more rare, since you can set a required ilvl for a group...
The other two are still definitely a valid concern, as you can't tell someone to not join a clear group for practicing a fight from the start.

My sense is that the clause at the top of that section which references an "Administrator" and offers a free company leader as an example implies that a party finder host might also be an "administrator" and thus have the rights to set such requirements. It definitely needs more clarity. Even still, if this is only targeted at DF it's still kind of concerning. I've seen parties that are literally, mathematically unable to clear normal mode duties because multiple people joined in gear that was literally unviable in that content. Titania NM is a pretty common example.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I've seen parties that are literally, mathematically unable to clear normal mode duties because multiple people joined in gear that was literally unviable in that content.

I kind of feel like doing that should fall under the category of "obstruction of play", as it is genuinely obstructing several other people's gameplay as they can't get further into the MSQ because people are blocking the trials.

[Ronduwil]

I kind of feel like doing that should fall under the category of "obstruction of play", as it is genuinely obstructing several other people's gameplay as they can't get further into the MSQ because people are blocking the trials.

I feel like it's a fantasy land scenario because the duty finder usually won't even let you queue for for duties unless your gear is viable. If the party leader is turning the "no minimum item level" option on in their run, that's on them, not on the player who joined in inferior gear.

[lezard21]

I feel like it's a fantasy land scenario because the duty finder usually won't even let you queue for for duties unless your gear is viable. If the party leader is turning the "no minimum item level" option on in their run, that's on them, not on the player who joined in inferior gear.

You can queue with ilevel appropiate gear, and then switch it when the queue pops and get into the instance with your lower than minimum ilevel gear.

The opposite of that is what people that force Crystal Tower raids do, they remove gear pieces to reduce their ilevel forcing Alliance Roulette to be Crystal Tower, and then reequip them when the queue pops.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I feel like it's a fantasy land scenario because the duty finder usually won't even let you queue for for duties unless your gear is viable. If the party leader is turning the "no minimum item level" option on in their run, that's on them, not on the player who joined in inferior gear.

Talking about the Normal/Hard difficulty trials, that you have to do as a part of the MSQ.
Saying that if someone is preventing people from progressing through the MSQ by failing them constantly, across several groups, because they just don't have the requirements to actually do the duty. That should count as Obstruction of Play as it is actually preventing people from playing the game.