Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[rewd]

Helping players in chat is not as hard as people are making it look like. There are infinite ways of putting information into words. All you need to do is just to frame everything in a way that sounds helpful and doesn't single anyone out.

Instead of telling a player they're doing something wrong, you can just tell how the mechanic works in the chat and let him figure out. Or you can suggest an strategy for everybody, like the position of every player in the fight.

This is only feasible in casual content, where mistakes don't really matter. Not being able to directly address someone in harder content just makes everything more frustrating. It's also very contradictory, because singling someone out is helpful, if you are not rude about it.

[kaynide]

There is big difference between criticism and insults.

Min ilvl requirements mean nothing. You can enter Savage Raids with any ilvl when joining it via PF.

Someone with high ilvl accessoirs but a low level weapon can actually join the group, when the total ilvl is high enough.
But that person wont perform not as good as people with higher weapons and left side gear. It also makes a difference, when someone brings food and materias to a fight.

You're not wrong-I believe the game needs to be much more strict about iLVL, but I also think it's not the player's fault if they can meet the requirements. Especially for a total newbie who wouldn't know any better. This is a fault of the game/game design.

[kaynide]

This is definitely a major social difference, as most people in the US (I don't want to speak on Europe or other areas) would find that passive-aggressive if done too often.

As a person in the US, this is the most common way I see issues with a single person addressed in any business or school setting if it isn't addressed in private. So I wouldn't say what you say here is true.

+1 to Nothv13; it's pretty common business/professional etiquette to not call out an individual unless absolutely necessary, most often for legal reasons.

[Saraide]

Maybe in the next expansion the dungeons will be just big square rooms with all the mobs together. Until then, as a tank, I will keep deciding how many mobs to pull. If you want to pull more, prepare to get the consequences of your actions, or just play tank.

Now that's an easy report. If you refuse to tank the active mobs just because someone did something you do not like, you are violating TOS. And if you do not start throwing a tantrum and instead do your job you will very quickly realize that everything works out easily in the vast majority of all dungeons. You can try to report someone for pulling an extra pack but if it doesnt lead to a wipe where you actively refuse to do your job, it may just backfire on you.
Tanks are not the leaders of the party, they are the meathshields. You dont get to dictate how 3 other people play, especially not by doing what clearly falls under lethargic behavior.

[Raim]

You guys keep saying "Just dont be rude." But the literal wording and examples of this seem to indicate that you cannot even specify that an individual messed up a mechanic. Not even in a casual way. You aren't allowed to say "We wiped because Steve didn't move with his targeted AoE." I don't see why that would be considered harassment to simply point it out. All this will do it make more people just silently kick people who make mistakes, and they won't know specifically why.

[Darkmoonrise]

There is blatant flaw in all those new rules : If you follow them, you cannot settle a disagreement.

Let's take some example. First example, extracted from the rules

Example of a violation:
(In response to an opinion) "Your idea is ridiculous, what are you talking about!?."
Example of a non-violation:
(In response to an opinion) "I understand your opinion, but I think I can do better with [something], what do you think?"

ok I get it, same info transmitted but 2 different ways to do it, great. But what happens next? Most likely you'll get a "nope" (polite one "of course") because, in the first place, there is a disagreement.

Second example, extracted from too many DF experience.
What happens if someone cannot complete a fight. Why is not important, he/she is just not able to do it, even at his/her peak performence, even trying his/her best.

Third example, a general one.
Any disagreement in an instance. i.e : someone wants to wall pull, the other wants to single pull.

So now what? Reminder of what we cannot do :

• "It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others." aka if we disagree, we disagree. Doing something here is punishable
• "Unjustified usage of Vote Dismiss" aka you cannot kick some who did not break the rules.
• "Intentional leaving or disconnection" aka you cannot eat the penality if something goes against your will.

So what do we do? What do we do if there is a disagreement in an instance? Do we stare at each other until the timer reaches 0? Even that is not allowed because it falls into "Obstructing the activities of others"

If we push the reasoning to the limit, we can summaries it to : "If you interact in any way (dungeon, discussion, trade, whatever) with someone with a different opinion than yours, you break at least one rule thus you're behaviour is reportable, even if you're the most polite person on earth". This is beyond absurd.

[Reinha]

・Expressions considered impolite or against common sense
・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for others

Separately, in Final Fantasy XIV, player communities may have their own specific set of loosely established rules and guidelines, which involve their own manners, morals, and etiquette. These community-specific rules and guidelines are not officially established as a unified set of rules for the entire community, so they may differ from one community to another. What may be acceptable in one community may be objectionable in another.

If there is a situation in which a person repeatedly says or does something that can be judged as intentionally trying to disrupt the peace, such as "intentionally ignoring the community-specific rules and guidelines while being aware of them" or "unwilling to learn of them", a report can be made. If we determine that the behaviour falls under our prohibited actions, a penalty will be imposed.

Each data centre will also be judged based on the social customs of that data centre's region in the real world.

I wonder how this affects early-pulling hunts? Hunt communities consist of hundreds of players who are being disrupted by players going against commonly agreed upon guidelines. The players engaging in this behavior are aware of these community-based rules, because they are repeatedly being told their actions are disruptive and their responses indicate that it was their intent.

[kaynide]

This is only feasible in casual content, where mistakes don't really matter. Not being able to directly address someone in harder content just makes everything more frustrating. It's also very contradictory, because singling someone out is helpful, if you are not rude about it.

I think there's a thing a lot of people are missing- if you are in a group earnestly working towards clearing some harder content, there are going to be discussions about who's making what mistakes in order to work towards that clear.

Moreover, for someone to actually get into trouble over this, there would need to be a report made, which means the "calling out" of mistakes has gotten to a point of being rude or unproductive.

[Snorky]

There is blatant flaw in all those new rules : If you follow them, you cannot settle a disagreement.

Let's take some example. First example, extracted from the rules


ok I get it, same info transmitted but 2 different ways to do it, great. But what happens next? Most likely you'll get a "nope" (polite one "of course") because, in the first place, there is a disagreement.

Second example, extracted from too many DF experience.
What happens if someone cannot complete a fight. Why is not important, he/she is just not able to do it, even at his/her peak performence, even trying his/her best.

Third example, a general one.
Any disagreement in an instance. i.e : someone wants to wall pull, the other wants to single pull.

So now what? Reminder of what we cannot do :

• "It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others." aka if we disagree, we disagree. Doing something here is punishable
• "Unjustified usage of Vote Dismiss" aka you cannot kick some who did not break the rules.
• "Intentional leaving or disconnection" aka you cannot eat the penality if something goes against your will.

So what do we do? What do we do if there is a disagreement in an instance? Do we stare at each other until the timer reaches 0? Even that is not allowed because it falls into "Obstructing the activities of others"

If we push the reasoning to the limit, we can summaries it to : "If you interact in any way (dungeon, discussion, trade, whatever) with someone with a different opinion than yours, you break at least one rule thus you're behaviour is reportable, even if you're the most polite person on earth". This is beyond absurd.

In the first and second even third vote to disband. If people are not willing to bend just vote to disband

[TheMightyMollusk]

Damn, dictator SE released new laws to follow, only happy emotions allowed or get banned. Free speech where?

You can say whatever you want. That doesn't mean anyone else has to accept it or tolerate it if you're being rude or vulgar. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.