A lot of pre-WOW players!

[Breakbeat]

Don't mind me, just setting up the first popcorn stand in this thread!

Fair enough! Since I'm just kicking it here eatin' some popcorn, I will point out that "pre-WoW" means "before WoW", not "this player came from WoW."

On topic, I find it egregiously ridiculous that WoW, for whatever reason, cannot make their low-res-portraits of scantily clad females go over well with the public. While here in Final Fantasy, on this same Earth, on the same Internet, with the same IRL social problems, we seem to have zero issues with an event centered around some guy in a B&D/S&M mask that apparently works(?) with a whole gaggle of high-res scantily clad females. Females, I might add, with specific "bend to accentuate lady parts" animations.

We even get brief low-camera-angles so you can see up their skirts, cheerleader style. /shrug

It's friggin' weird. I mean, the whole Earth is weird. You can have sexytime over here, but sexytime over there results in #HASHTAGMOVEMENT. Both T rated games. Both available on PC today for 13-year-olds to sink their teeth into.

Yes, a few of the people behind that game over there that had a smidge of sexytime in it did some bad things. So did many of the artists behind music we still listen to (Michael Jackson still makes dancefloors move), movies we still watch (have you removed anything connected to Harvey Weinstein or Roman Polanski from your collection?), and books we read (Orson Scott Card comes to mind, he of Ender's Game fame, a top 50 fiction writer in 2021, and a horribly homophobic jerk who believes a gay lifestyle should be illegal, and that sodomy laws should still be in effect. Shoot, even Roald Dahl (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the Witches, the BFG, James and the Giant Peach, etc., etc.) was an anti-Semitic prick, and we still give his books to our children and take our families to watch movies based on his books.)

Separate the art from the artist, publicly. How is it productive to go on Twitter and tweet about social justice for a few hours, then sit down and watch Gangs of New York, the English Patient, Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown? I hesitate to use popular catch-phrases like 'virtue signaling' (/retch) but there's no better phrase to describe our online behavior these days. We'll type a bunch of words online to show how much we frown upon bad behavior, but no one is chucking loads of Weinstein or Polanski Blu-Rays into the trash, and there's no mass cancellation of iTunes accounts because they still sell Michael Jackson albums.

Every single one of us has a piece of music, a movie, a book, or a television show in our possession (collection, online, whatever) that is connected to someone who has done bad things. I know it's hard - apparently really hard - but it would behoove us to learn to appreciate subjective entertainment despite who produced it. Otherwise, if we really decide as a society that we aren't going to separate artist from art, then let's be real about it and go ahead and purge everything off the Earth ever created by someone who once did evil things.

It's pretty convenient to live in modern times where one "version" of a person stands against things, and a different "version" of the same person sits down and consumes what they stand against. One can jump on bandwagons and feel popular and "part of the group" in the morning, then listen to great music or watch really great movies from "evil people" in the evening, with no guilt whatsoever, because no one will call you on the carpet and ask you to explain the two different versions of your life.

Honestly, folks better hope we don't decide to do a purge, because your car, your house, your electricity, your internet, your clothing, and every other possession you own will disappear, should it come to that. You think no one that designs cars or builds homes or sews clothes ever did anything evil? Boy, have I got a revelation for you. Yikes!

[Lexis]

The whole 'turning women into fruits' movement you're seeing in WoW was a purely Blizzard-recovery-mode initiative that nobody asked for and pretty much everyone ridicules.

Reforming their workplace ethic represents a far bigger investment (im both time and money) than just changing a few paintings for quick and easy PR.

It's the response to the entire lawsuit debacle that had me leave the game in disgust, not the lawsuit announcement itself. Well, that and the whole 'game stopped being fun a long time ago', but that's another story altogether.

[Myrany]

When did you start on WrA? After server hopping for years, I found my home there and absolutely loved the community. The RP kept things interesting for a long time. I mained an Orc at server opening and founded the Sundered Skull Clan, if you were around at that time.

I was alliance on WrA and Horde on Steamwheedle. I am thinking it was during Wrath I rolled on WrA. I think I was on Bronzebeard during classic up to wrath but I don't clearly remember to be certain.

[Vahlnir]

The whole 'turning women into fruits' movement you're seeing in WoW was a purely Blizzard-recovery-mode initiative that nobody asked for and pretty much everyone ridicules.

Reforming their workplace ethic represents a far bigger investment (im both time and money) than just changing a few paintings for quick and easy PR.

It's the response to the entire lawsuit debacle that had me leave the game in disgust, not the lawsuit announcement itself. Well, that and the whole 'game stopped being fun a long time ago', but that's another story altogether.

The bowl of fruit thing has made for excellent meme material though, which is about all Blizzard is good for nowadays. But you know, small victories. Gotta take them as they come, especially when they are far and few between.