Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[Tsumdere]

No wonder people are getting riled up over this, because they have no concept of how to be polite or what constitutes neutral/kind conversation.

In the examples provided by SE, you literally have to out of your way to type the extra insults and derogatory language.

This isn't even new... these have always been the rules, they just clarified what was already being enforced.

[MilkieTea]

No wonder people are getting riled up over this, because they have no concept of how to be polite or what constitutes neutral/kind conversation.

In the examples provided by SE, you literally have to out of your way to type the extra insults and derogatory language.

This isn't even new... these have always been the rules, they just clarified what was already being enforced.

This. The examples are clear, the language is clear. Don’t be rude about stuff - and it’s no longer “ambiguous” what being rude entails considering they’ve now set out worded examples.

[Lastelli]

The PF scene is going to be fun with these changes.

I can see some people starting to require joining Discord for PF runs to avoid this ridiculousness.

This is already a thing.

[Cidel]

Over half the rules that pertain to interacting with other players have nothing to do with "don't be a dick about it" with they way they are worded. Did you even read it? Oh crap, "Did you even read it" is a reportable offence now. guess I'm getting punished.

Let's not forget that (I'm pretty sure) one word in that statement probably is reportable. Ironic.

The PF scene is going to be fun with these changes.

I can see some people starting to require joining Discord for PF runs to avoid this ridiculousness.

I wonder if requiring Discord is going to fall under "Expressions that compel a playing style?"

[CKNovel]

This. The examples are clear, the language is clear. Don’t be rude about stuff - and it’s no longer “ambiguous” what being rude entails considering they’ve now set out worded examples.

If it's only about being rude, that's good.

If the cut between "Don't forget to use cooldowns to survive" and "Use cooldown to survive you idiot sandwich" is clear, then all is good.

[jameseoakes]

On the other hand, "you pull it you tank it" is now forbidden.

That sounds more like not shirking someone so they get aggro, from the way I'm reading the wording it wouldn't cover not picking up the mob someone else pulled, that might fall under the Uncooperative behaviour section but then I would say that intentionally picking up extra mobs would count as that as well so it's still a messy area.

[Krotoan]

Okay so I took a look at the actual new rules. There is some good and some bad. But I'm very concerned with the "Nuisance behavior" section.

Here are a few examples of things that are called out as prohibited:


Statements such as "you're bad at [something]," or "you're not getting [something] at all"
blaming and attacking others, such as "It's [player name]'s fault that we wiped" or "You really make a lot of mistakes,"
"your glamour is terrible, you should quit the game," or "the way you talk disgusts me."
Statements such as "people like you will never get better"
it is prohibited to make statements such as "why aren't you doing [specific thing]? Everyone knows that's how you do this!"
"There is nothing wrong with providing suggestions that the player community typically follows, but this can only be presented in the form of a "suggestion" and cannot be in the form of a demand"
Statements such as "how can you screw up on something so simple that no one else messes up?" are prohibited.
Statements such as "you're bad at [something]," or "you're not getting [something] at all" are prohibited



Player A: B, you're doing this part wrong.
Player B: I understand, I'll try harder.
Player A: You understand the mechanics? Want me to teach you?
Player B: I do understand, I'm OK. Thank you.
Player A: You sure you understand? You keep on screwing up. You should do [something] on [something].
Player B: I understand, I'm sorry.
Player A: You sure? If you don't know let me know, ok? B, you're screwing up so many times, you're really dragging this out for us.
Player B: I'm sorry.

This is apparently a reportable offense by Player A.

Because player A is targeting someone. If you simply state what is being failed without specifying whose fault it is, no problem.


you are not allowed to single out one person as the problem. ... I have no problem with this (no I am not usually the reason things fail).

[Lastelli]

That sounds more like not shirking someone so they get aggro, from the way I'm reading the wording it wouldn't cover not picking up the mob someone else pulled, that might fall under the Uncooperative behaviour section but then I would say that intentionally picking up extra mobs would count as that as well so it's still a messy area.

If a dps pulls a group of mob and leads it to the tank and the tank stops doing its 1-2 aoe rotation or turns off its tank stance, I'd say that'd be reportable given how the example is worded.

[Theodric]

I suspect a lot of the concern is coming from the unfortunate trend of many corporations refusing to acknowledge that, quite often in the modern day, there are individuals and groups who deliberately claim to be upset by something due to a gleeful desire to see how many people they can see punished for slights that are arguably unworthy of punishment in the first place.

Personally I don't believe for a second that anyone should be punished for quietly leaving a duty for whatever reason. They can be replaced. Maybe something came up. Maybe they calculated that it wouldn't be good for them to force themselves to spend an hour wiping on Ramuh EX because they already had a long and hard day at work. An argument can be made in regards to it being best not to sign up for a roulette in such circumstances but at the same time...one would find it difficult to prove intent.

[jameseoakes]

If a dps pulls a group of mob and leads it to the tank and the tank stops doing its 1-2 aoe rotation or turns off its tank stance, I'd say that'd be reportable given how the example is worded.

Maybe, though that gets into a mess of other issues with the DPS doing reportable things as well (Forcing a play style). I don't think it makes much in the way of a change to the "you pull it you tank it" situation