Who wilst depart the mortal realm in 6.0?

[Yuella]

Here's my predictions:

Scions (A team):

• 75% Alphi - with his grandfather's dream (and Alphi's) coming to fruition, he's the most likely to bite the dust, Probably in an act of saving his sister from her reckless behavior.
  35% Alisaie - highly unlikely, but she is Alisaie, part of the WOL crew after 6.0.
  25% Urianger - Potentially saving a twin or both. Retires with Thancred.
  10% Thancred - Going to retire due to being "too old for this s***."
  0% Y'shtola - Plot armor thicker than a bank vault, off to the First to marry Runar.
  0% Graha - Writer's pet, part of WOL crew after 6.0.
  0% Estinien - Director's pet, same as Graha and Alisaie especially if Alphi dies.
  0% Tataru - She's the only one who pays the bills to keep the lights on in the Rising Stones.

A Scion in name only (B team):

• 50% Krile- unless they develop her character more, she's likely to die due to being the catalyst for the Resonant. She's not even on the Endwalker poster. If she lives, moves to A team.

Some of the other B team members might bite it as well (Riol,Alianne,etc.).

Nation Leaders:

• 50% Raubahn - Gets owned by Zenos since they didn't get to fight in SB.
  40% Aymeric - I could see a sacrifice to save the WOL, but highly unlikely.
  40% Fourchenant - Spills the beans on all of the secrets. Dies saving wife and the kids for redemption maybe.
  25% Kan-E-Senna/Merlwyb - Maybe, but not enough evidence besides the new side stories.
  25% Hien - Gets saved by Yugiri during a battle with Zenos.
  10% Lyse - (Had to edit post because I forgot about Lyse, so did the devs) Saved by Raubahn.
  0% Nanamo - Ain't going nowhere near the fight. Will somehow get caught up in trouble though.

Side Characters:

• 75% Yugiri - Rematch with Zenos, dies to save Hien.
  50% Gosetsu - Dies protecting Yugiri or Hien in battle before Zenos.
  50% Fortemps Family - I got a nasty feeling Artoriel is going to bite it, having Emmanulien to take over the family.
  50% Lucia - Dies to save Aymeric in battle.
  40% Pipin - Could die saving his father or Nanamo.
  30% Fordola - Could die in place of Krile. Moves from B team to A team post 6.0.
  0% Arenvald - Professor X baby! New Minfilia. Same as Fordola.

Villans/Anti-Heroes:

• 100% Fandaniel - Merges with something or other and dies a pathetic Asahi death again.
  100% Zodiark/Hydaelyn - Merge to form Ultimate bad. Final Boss. Reveal Zeromus (posing as an Ascian, my bet is on Pashtarot) was behind the Sound. BAM, cue credits and post-6.0 story.
  50% Zenos - This can go either way. He either goes full villan or turns coat to help us as our "friend." I'm leaning more to the former unless Emet's secret comes out to play.

I think it's the opposite. Zodiark and Hydaelyn merge to help us fight the Ultimate Bad.

[lezard21]

As a few others have said, I'm thinking it'll more be a case of characters being retired than outright dying. I do think we'll see a fairly substantial refresh of the Scions.

Regardless wether they live or die, I personally think the end of EW should see all Scions retired. They've already served their purpose to the story and some of them have exhausted all venues for character development they could have. Not to mention that the end of EW would see a conclusion to their primary motivation: the beast tribes, Primal and Ascian threat.

Come whatever new adventures the WoL would have, I think it'd best be with a brand new group of companions to breath some fresh air into the dynamics of the story. If we go down the Restoration of the Thirteenth route, I can see Unulkahai and Cylva being part of our new team (and maybe the Role Quest NPCs).

The only exception to the Scions' retirement I can see is G'raha, mostly because his primary motivation unlike the others is "going on l33t adventures with my husbando, the WoL", and also because he joined very recently.

[RioAlquin]

I'm gonna say this time it's Alphinaud and/or Alisaie, because we might be going for a parallel to FFIV, whose twins also had what by all rights felt like a death scene until they anticlimactically got rescued off-screen.

This was my thought exactly. The FFIV parallel is strong with the upcoming content so I am thinking they will sacrifice themselves to save us at some point. Then some time later they will return. This would have almost as much of an effect on FFXIV players as it did to those of us who played FFIV. Overall I feel that people really like the twins, or maybe at least one of them, so this will have a large emotional impact if it happens.

[Mansion]

50% Zenos - This can go either way. He either goes full villan or turns coat to help us as our "friend." I'm leaning more to the former unless Emet's secret comes out to play.

I'm not okay with this at all.We are talking "big bad I kill civilians for fun" levels of bad. There is absolutely no way this "friend" awkward boner he has for the WoL should manifest outside of his twisted mind. While I can see something like Zenos realizing he is being used by Fandaniel and thus "helping" us defeating whatever threat comes up, I don't want Zenos to be forgiven for any reason. I'm not saying he needs to die, but he does need a trial for war crimes and contribution to the apocalypse. I'm a bit tired of "the vilain has some background so you can sympathize" too (Fordola, Yotsuyu, Emet Selch, Elidibus and Ascians is general, Mitron...)

[ReynTime]

Characters only get killed off in XIV if their death is needed to move another character's development or the narrative into a specific direction.
That's a strategy a lot of stories use, too. Death is a thing that needs to be taken with respect, not for edgy shock-value like Game of Thrones or because actors/actresses had to leave the cast.

Now all that being said...

G'raha should have never returned. But now that ship has sailed and I don't see any narrative reason for him to be killed off anymore. It would also feel forced to have him killed off to give the player character or anyone else some new motivation when that was only going to be effective back in 5.3. He will stay and at "worst" will not be so present in the MSQ after 6.0, busy with other things.

I disagree that Thancred can't be killed off. I didn't mind him returning from the last fake-out, because he was still a necessary "mentor" figure to Ryne. And that last remnant of his development was wrapped up (him being a pseudo-father figure to the closest thing to Ascilia's reincarnation and then saying farewell after struggling for years with the guilt and responsibility that started since Warburton's death). So far, there doesn't seem to be anything else for him. This makes him one of the most likely targets for dying in the MSQ.

Y'shtola is kind of just there to give snarky responses and look cool at this point. Her active role as a character could be filled by anyone, honestly. But I think she's staying alive indefinitely due being a huge fan favorite.

Absolutely no point in killing characters like Lyse or Raubahn. While they still participate in the MSQ, they're already sidelined after finishing their arcs, which is the next closest thing to dying for the plot. They could die if the writers want cheap alternatives to make the gravity of Endwalker feel a bit heavier, but it would have so little impact it doesn't matter.

If Krile didn't die in Stormblood I don't think she will in Endwalker. There's zero signs of impactful narrative consequences for it. She's also way too important to move it forward by being ALIVE for that.

The twins are not dying. They're also the most likely among all scions to stick with us beyond 6.0.

Regretfully I think G'raha is also one of the more likely to stick around longer. While dead or not Y'shtola, Urianger and Thancred are very likely not going to be so active in the MSQ after this saga is over if they really want to do post-Zodiark/Hydaelin content as a turn of a new page.

I don't know where all the speculation of Zenos helping us voluntarily comes from. I see absolutely no foundation for it. He will stay as an antagonist force until we kill him in EW. Same for Fandaniel.

Estinien just joined another Trust slot. I don't think he will die in EW. Besides Arenvald already served as the motivator for Alphinaud's next transformation.


I too wish the "WoL" would die or get canonically nerfed to hell after Endwalker so we could have an excuse to start fresh as an "adventurer" again, because we're already demigods currently and it's getting boring to be worshipped so. I don't think either is happening sadly.


To sum it up:
After Endwalker most Scions will not be so prominent anymore. G'raha will unfortunately be around for at least another expansion. Alphinaud and/or Alisaie will stick with us as well. Estinien will probably retire.

[Tracewood]

Honestly, the retirement angle sounds more plausible. Though Urianger and Y'shtola would be free agents to assist for side content like raids. Also have to consider the trust system too. If say, Thancred dies the only tank would be Graha. Sure the WOL has been 3/4 tank classes for promo material, but that's besides the point. Maybe for 6.x we'll get some new people, or old faces upgraded to a higher status. Alphi I feel will stay behind in Sharlayan, getting the feeling the twins's dad is not long for that world with the way he has been.

If the Scions do disband, Tataru would be heartbroken because she sees them as a family of sorts. We don't know much of her outside that. She tried being a summoner to much fail, and tried her hand and DoL. Maybe the Scions will still exist, but for other things since let's be real there will always still be primals in some shape or form long after the end of EndWalker. Not only that, they've really found their bearings around the Stormblood arc. How else are the scions going to fund expeditions to other continents?

Only way I see the scions disband is if Alphinaud decides he needs to go back to Sharlyan in his father's place to keep the family influence going. Unless their father comes around or we find out midway he's been tempered somewhat.

[DaemonInazuma]

I'm not okay with this at all.We are talking "big bad I kill civilians for fun" levels of bad. There is absolutely no way this "friend" awkward boner he has for the WoL should manifest outside of his twisted mind. While I can see something like Zenos realizing he is being used by Fandaniel and thus "helping" us defeating whatever threat comes up, I don't want Zenos to be forgiven for any reason. I'm not saying he needs to die, but he does need a trial for war crimes and contribution to the apocalypse. I'm a bit tired of "the vilain has some background so you can sympathize" too (Fordola, Yotsuyu, Emet Selch, Elidibus and Ascians is general, Mitron...)

The reason I see Zenos going either way in the story is he is either Golbez from FF4 or Seymour from FF10. I'm hoping Seymour, but from recent Yoshi-P interviews, they are leaning heavily the Golbez route I feel.

[Kesey]

The reason I see Zenos going either way in the story is he is either Golbez from FF4 or Seymour from FF10. I'm hoping Seymour, but from recent Yoshi-P interviews, they are leaning heavily the Golbez route I feel.

I think the sub-text of WOL being Zeons' "friend" is to set up that Ancient Zenos and Azem are connected. And if this plot is true, then we have the Golbez situation.

[Daralii]

I think the sub-text of WOL being Zeons' "friend" is to set up that Ancient Zenos and Azem are connected. And if this plot is true, then we have the Golbez situation.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if Zenos was Hythlodaeus or something.

[Cleretic]

I wouldn't be overly surprised if Zenos was Hythlodaeus or something.

I would be, because they really don't have any common threads. Hythlodaeus is an ostensibly intellectually and emotionally intelligent person who at least claims to never take sides or does much of anything to take a stand for much at all. And Zenos is an ultra-destructive fight idiot who's willing to use imperialism as a cudgel while also being willing to burn down an empire, all so he can escalate his senseless violence. They're even set up as different sorts of 'friend' to the WoL; Hythlodaeus is suggested to be a mutual fondness far in the past, while Zenos has an absolutely one-sided obsession.

The only real thing they have in common is that I don't like either of them.