Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[BristolRuss]

they should set up a streaming taskforce and go through everyone's public streams and banning every one of them who are in violation they aren't violating your privacy because you choose to share it for the whole world to see your tos breaking

Lol, they'd ending up banning all of their big content creators. Brilliant idea that...

[Zanes]

Yoshi-p said he doesn't want to hype or promote World First races because of 3rd party, so he knows most use them and there's nothing to do, just that they can't/won't support them and ban if used maliciously.

[Nothv13]

they should set up a streaming taskforce and go through everyone's public streams and banning every one of them who are in violation they aren't violating your privacy because you choose to share it for the whole world to see your tos breaking

Yes, lets ban there best free advertising for the game over something they only enforce when it relates to harrassment.

[Altera]

Lol, they'd ending up banning all of their big content creators. Brilliant idea that...

So its Rules for Thee, not for me huh? Streamer privilege I guess. They are livestreaming a breach/rule break. They should get first a 3 day ban, then if repeat offence 1 week, and another breach, Permaban imo
Soon Addons and this Simtool will be demanded implemented into the game itself. This game has done really well long before all these new streamers came to this game, and atm the problems they bring due to unavaiable parts for servers might cause EW launch log in to be a nightmare

[Nothv13]

So its Rules for Thee, not for me huh? Streamer privilege I guess. They are livestreaming a breach/rule break. They should get first a 3 day ban, then if repeat offence 1 week, and another breach, Permaban imo
Soon Addons and this Simtool will be demanded implemented into the game itself. This game has done really well long before all these new streamers came to this game, and atm the problems they bring due to unavaiable parts for servers might cause EW launch log in to be a nightmare

Not at all, you also won't get banned for them as long as you don't use them harass people. Yoshi P has even said if you are getting banned for the 3rd party addons, your are likely already in trouble for some other violation. Yoshi P also said that technically, Discord is 3rd party, so if they enforced it as written, anyone using discord would also be banned.

[Altera]

Not at all, you also won't get banned for them as long as you don't use them harass people. Yoshi P has even said if you are getting banned for the 3rd party addons, your are likely already in trouble for some other violation. Yoshi P also said that technically, Discord is 3rd party, so if they enforced it as written, anyone using discord would also be banned.

He also said to respect the ToS and not openly show using 3rd party software. I would say when promoting those very same things, is the opposite of respect. If Yoshida asked me to not do something, I would honor him by doing it.
These streamers are pretty much pooping on his wishes

[Nothv13]

He also said to respect the ToS and not openly show using 3rd party software. I would say when promoting those very same things, is the opposite of respect. If Yoshida asked me to not do something, I would honor him by doing it.
These streamers are pretty much pooping on his wishes

You do you. People will continue to use them. No use getting bent out of shape.

BTW, these addons have been around long before these streamers came to FFXIV. The only newish one I've seen making the rounds seems to be Limit's UI addon, everything else has been around for years and the only reason you didn't notice is because using them to harass or requiring them is what triggers the infraction, thus they aren't spoken of in game.

Edit: Would say logitech g software be illegal? It can run macros and allow you to do things you wouldn't normally be able to do (such is a violation of the EULA)? If so, guess Yoshi P would be banned as well since he uses such. How about all the glitches people use to decorate house? Such abuses are also against the EULA. Going to ban them? See the issue with being hard nosed with the EULA yet?

[Eien713]

Yoshi P also said that technically, Discord is 3rd party, so if they enforced it as written, anyone using discord would also be banned.

I don't get how Discord is comparable to Cactbot, ACT, and similar stuff. Discord is for communication. It doesn't affect the game itself and doesn't modify it. By this logic, would we also be banned for using phones to talk to someone while playing the game together? It's ludicrous.

[Nothv13]

I don't get how Discord is comparable to Cactbot, ACT, and similar stuff. Discord is for communication. It doesn't affect the game itself or modifies it. By this logic, would we also be banned for using phones to talk to someone while playing the game together? It's ludicrous.

Because the EULA words it in such a way that Discord would be caught in it. Discord modifies your gameplay by allowing voiced communication, something the game itself does not allow. Communication is huge when high end raiding and drastically changes how the raiding would play out. We just take it for granted and not realize that it does violate the EULA by modifying gameplay. In Truth, there are so many things that violate the EULA that people do every day, enforcing everything but the most egregious would devastate the community.

[Eien713]

Because the EULA words it in such a way that Discord would be caught in it. Discord modifies your gameplay by allowing voiced communication, something the game itself does not allow. Communication is huge when high end raiding and drastically changes how the raiding would play out. We just take it for granted and not realize that it does violate the EULA by modifying gameplay. In Truth, there are so many things that violate the EULA that people do every day, enforcing everything but the most egregious would devastate the community.

I still think this is a reach. We can use phones to communicate, or any other means, really. Play Station players can use the PS VC with their fellow PS players. Using Discord or communication tools is no different from being in the same room as someone or close enough to them for you to be able to talk to each other and communicate. Communication is not the same as using a program to automate stuff for you because it's still a human being you're interacting with.