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  1. #231
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Isn't it always bait?
    It's certainly preferable to the alternative.
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  2. #232
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    If you want to play a more supportive healer that buffs the party, I can't really think of a reason I'd want to recommend SCH though. As mentioned, the shear volume of OGCD healing it offers on such short cooldowns alongside the faerie give it a much longer duration of DPS uptime over AST and especially WHM who's forced into GCD healing twice as fast as AST.
    That's true and a good point.
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  3. #233
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    NobleWinter's Avatar
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Level 12 CNJ with the possibility of Cleric Stance scared them away from healing in ARR so Im struggling to understand how they consider themselves a devoted Scholar Main with all the extra buttons Scholar has now and especially in the past.
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  4. #234
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    Honestly I really don't get why Scholar is retaining Chain Stratagem, especially with the "split" between shield and regen healers coming in Endwalker.
    Because IMHO, it'd be nigh extinct for Savage without it as things stand.

    It has the potential for stronger shields than Sage, but SE aren't going to tune anything to actually require that. Meanwhile Sage is the new shiny job and brings more potency to the table to boot. It's everything AST wasn't in 3.0.
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

  5. #235
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    AFuzzyMu11in's Avatar
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Any argument to back that up? Or is it just bait, again?
    Like why would you assume this is bait???. White mage has insanely powerful heals and it's dps button is same as scholar. Is this really a debate? Literally holy says hi.
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  6. #236
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    AFuzzyMu11in's Avatar
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    If you want to play a more supportive healer that buffs the party, I can't really think of a reason I'd want to recommend SCH though. As mentioned, the shear volume of OGCD healing it offers on such short cooldowns alongside the faerie give it a much longer duration of DPS uptime over AST and especially WHM who's forced into GCD healing twice as fast as AST.
    Scholars ogcd healing only gets good like 70+ until then it doesn't compare to whm. White mage can carry a party of clowns scholar on the other hand no so much.
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  7. #237
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Scholars ogcd healing only gets good like 70+ until then it doesn't compare to whm. White mage can carry a party of clowns scholar on the other hand no so much.
    Eos' Embraces are FAR more than WHM can offer at low levels. You don't even get an OGCD until level 50, and even then, Benediction is on a 180 second cooldown. Really it's Asylum that finally gives you a viable party OGCD regen at 52, and that's still not going to outperform Eos' constant, free embraces. I was using SCH to run level 60 dungeons for one of the resistance relic weapon phases, and when I tell you I never had to cast a GCD heal at all in every single run of Antitower no matter what kind of tank I got because Eos and the occasional Indom are just that powerful at lowers levels. My DPS uptime was literally 100% in every. single. run. And guess how many people died? 0.

    WHM could never hope to achieve that, which isn't to say that it can't clear, but you would eventually have to use a regen or a medica II here and there.
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  8. #238
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    AFuzzyMu11in's Avatar
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Eos' Embraces are FAR more than WHM can offer at low levels. You don't even get an OGCD until level 50, and even then, Benediction is on a 180 second cooldown. Really it's Asylum that finally gives you a viable party OGCD regen at 52, and that's still not going to outperform Eos' constant, free embraces. I was using SCH to run level 60 dungeons for one of the resistance relic weapon phases, and when I tell you I never had to cast a GCD heal at all in every single run of Antitower no matter what kind of tank I got because Eos and the occasional Indom are just that powerful at lowers levels. My DPS uptime was literally 100% in every. single. run. And guess how many people died? 0.

    WHM could never hope to achieve that, which isn't to say that it can't clear, but you would eventually have to use a regen or a medica II here and there.
    Ok. Sch works with controlled healing. It’s not with sporadic is what I mean.
    Whm can handle sporadic with ease and keep it moving. Also swift cast/POM matter
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  9. #239
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Ok. Sch works with controlled healing. It’s not with sporadic is what I mean.
    Whm can handle sporadic with ease and keep it moving. Also swift cast/POM matter
    I’ve never read post on this forum that made less sense to me.
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  10. #240
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    AFuzzyMu11in's Avatar
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    I’ve never read post on this forum that made less sense to me.
    Scholar has controlled healing. Take predicted damage, and it's coming because that just boss patterns sure it's easy to deal with with your ogc and keep dpsing.
    White mage can handle sporadic healing more. Take predicted damage + failed mechanics + damage you just didn't predict or know was coming at all that's where it excells.
    Scholar can make the bare min when you got an "easy fight"
    White mage is the heavy hitter for when shit its the fan.

    If I'm going into a fight I know dps check will be made, then I want whm as my healer over sch unless it's level 80 and even then I think WHM is better tbh. This is coming from a level 80 sch/whm main btw.
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