Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Silvarer]

Holy cow, this monk I just had in my Dzmael Darkhold group... He was terrible. I don't know if he didn't speak English or was on a console or was trolling or what but he didn't respond at all when we would tell him things like to attack the crystals when the last boss targets them because he goes invulnerable. Dude just stayed on the boss the entire time running around in circles while attacking. He also pulled the first boss and proceeded to run all around the room with it instead of taking it into the light of the crystals. I was the healer so I just let him die that time so the boss would come over to the tank, who was waiting where he was supposed to. Also when we wiped on the last boss on the first try, he just stayed on the ground instead of releasing and running back like the rest of us did. I was considering just voting to kick him at that point but didn't since we were almost done anyway.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Loaded into an in-prog Puppet's Bunker on my WHM since I needed a coin and was hoping WHM would get better queue times than I've been having for the Nier raids today on my PLD. They're at third boss, I load in right in time before the gate shuts, etc. Stuff's fine.

Notice the BLM is off in Narnia.

Now normally, I don't go out of my way to heal people who are that far away from the group - if my AoEs can't reach them or I can't slap them with a Lily easily, then they best move closer or hope I have to run nearer for a mechanic. However, this BLM was top DPS the entire time, so I decided to pay extra attention to keep them living and let them continue to pump damage into things. Benisons, some targeted heals when I needed to, positioned myself so my AoEs were hitting them, etc. Rescue'd them once when they weren't moving for the big room-wide stuff, it let them get close enough to Manip to me to get to actual safety since they were on the opposite side of the room beforehand.

I continue this special treatment all the way through bullet hell hallway, because they were continuing to be top DPS through that despite how movement-heavy it is. I'll gladly go out of my way to protect someone pushing that much damage on a literal turret class who thrives on minimal movement.

Last boss comes up, things are going fine. Second Pod thing goes out, with the room-wide box AoEs and you gotta find the safe zone. I misjudged where they were and Rescue'd them to where the rest of the raid was, which I knew was safe - but turns out they had been in a safe zone as well anyway. I apologized profusely, because I saw they had Leylines out so I know how every moment in that thing is precious.

Keep in mind they had already died once (because a tank ran over them with one of the busters, and Manaward + Benison was not enough to save them), and had collected a few vulns that some Benisons had helped shave some damage off of. I'd also continued to babysit him with special targeted heals the whole time, despite him making every effort to stay in Narnia.

What do I get at the end? "This job is already hard enough, don't make it harder."

Okay buddy. Next time, I'll just let you die out in Narnia I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Alestorm]

Healed Castrum earlier and had my co-healer DC post second boss and both tanks decide to make a big charge to the guns leading up to 3rd boos. Safe to say they died and not because I wouldn't heal them; it was more them liking to stand in all the orange they could and not use a single CD. I got attacked by the main tank for not only being a mentor, but having all classes to 80 and "still suck at healing". I main healer and have pulled miracles off before, but tanks die once because they don't know how to use their CD's and I'm trash.... I sometimes hate playing healer because of people like this.

[Kolaina]

Healed Castrum earlier and had my co-healer DC post second boss and both tanks decide to make a big charge to the guns leading up to 3rd boos. Safe to say they died and not because I wouldn't heal them; it was more them liking to stand in all the orange they could and not use a single CD. I got attacked by the main tank for not only being a mentor, but having all classes to 80 and "still suck at healing". I main healer and have pulled miracles off before, but tanks die once because they don't know how to use their CD's and I'm trash.... I sometimes hate playing healer because of people like this.

I don’t want to discredit your story. Not my intention. Maybe the tanks or at least 1 had gotten stunned by the death claw? I’ve had that happen as a tank on that pull quite a few times. Died cause I couldn’t get out of the bad.
But I feel you. Only so much you can do as a healer. Solo healing at that

[Gararr]

Nice evening of T2 spam via BLU suicide bombers, but we scuffed what was supposed to be the final run of the night because one guy had bad RNG on the second node and got killed because everyone was a little tired and didn't hit it hard enough/no one used White Wind.

Rather than just respawn and run back to us (he would've caught up), dude decided to just lay there the whole time instead. Which meant we didn't have enough Final Sting power to kill ADS, and without Clemency access I didn't manage to stay up long enough to finish up the last little bite of HP it had even with Hallowed. Rather than make a second attempt (this was literally our last run for the night anyway), dude just up and leaves the duty entirely after complaining people didn't Missile hard enough or something (I don't play BLU so half of what they talked about over the course of the hour and a half runtime went over my head).

Buddy if you'd just raised at the start we wouldn't have even failed on ADS, but whatever I guess?

Fun fact for you:

You can not release in T2 after the initial 15 second lockout. I'm not sure if it applies to the 15seconds after you engage in combat as well (I think it does but honestly I cant remember)

Attempting to blame him for not releasing when you have:
1) a leech PLD tank in the group
2) 6 BLU's that didnt slot or use Angel's whisper
Is a bit rediculous.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Fun fact for you:

You can not release in T2 after the initial 15 second lockout. I'm not sure if it applies to the 15seconds after you engage in combat as well (I think it does but honestly I cant remember)

Attempting to blame him for not releasing when you have:
1) a leech PLD tank in the group
2) 6 BLU's that didnt slot or use Angel's whisper
Is a bit rediculous.

"A leech PLD" I mean I'm there to make sure they aren't getting Interrupted and eaten, and to Interrupt High Voltage if it happens, as well as kill the thing if by some miracle it survives on 2% HP - but sure buddy. Also was invited to do it on my PLD by my BLU friend, so if you want to blame someone for "leeching", blame the person inviting the so-called "leecher".

Didn't know that about T2 though, so makes a bit more sense. The dude passive-aggressively malding about stuff though and full on dropping group instead of just running through it again (which would have taken a minute, at most) wasn't necessary, though.

[Gararr]

"A leech PLD" I mean I'm there to make sure they aren't getting Interrupted and eaten, and to Interrupt High Voltage if it happens, as well as kill the thing if by some miracle it survives on 2% HP - but sure buddy.

Imagine if you were on BLU instead and just final stung, you'd easily overcome that 2%, quicker. The mobs are not given a chance to attack in an 8 BLU party with all 8 BLU's using missile. If it does attack at all, it is non-lethal damage due to the high ilevel provided by being max ilevel in level 50 tier 1 content.

So yes, taking a Tank is a leech, even when they tell themselves they are not leeches. And that's fine - 7 BLU's works just as well, but you are kidding yourself if you believe that you are somehow a valuable part of the party outside of being the leader.

Didn't know that about T2 though, so makes a bit more sense. The dude passive-aggressively malding about stuff though and full on dropping group instead of just running through it again (which would have taken a minute, at most) wasn't necessary, though.

I'd have to see the actual chat to comment on this, but I agree. Malding and ditching isn't the best way to go. Still, it sounds like there were other issues. If the other 6 BLU's weren't using Missile, you should -never- have a reason to use White Wind in these fights. The damage shouldn't exist in a proper speedrun group, but as you said - they were playing a bit sloppy. And that happens sometimes.

[MilkieTea]

"A leech PLD" I mean I'm there to make sure they aren't getting Interrupted and eaten, and to Interrupt High Voltage if it happens, as well as kill the thing if by some miracle it survives on 2% HP - but sure buddy.

Didn't know that about T2 though, so makes a bit more sense. The dude passive-aggressively malding about stuff though and full on dropping group instead of just running through it again (which would have taken a minute, at most) wasn't necessary, though.

Honestly tanks arent necessary at ALL for t2 spam runs - That "2%" is avoided by just having another BLU. It goes faster as well. Longest T2 run I've done was 52 seconds, typical T2 run for me is 39 seconds with 8 BLUs. You may not be leeching but you're essentially redundant. I mean no harm by that, btw, it's just kinda how it is.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Imagine if you were on BLU instead and just final stung, you'd easily overcome that 2%, quicker. The mobs are not given a chance to attack in an 8 BLU party with all 8 BLU's using missile. If it does attack at all, it is non-lethal damage due to the high ilevel provided by being max ilevel in level 50 tier 1 content.

So yes, taking a Tank is a leech, even when they tell themselves they are not leeches. And that's fine - 7 BLU's works just as well, but you are kidding yourself if you believe that you are somehow a valuable part of the party outside of being the leader.

Imagine me not having BLU leveled and getting invited to run it on tank by my BLU friend, who stated that it was easier than finding a BLU who could lick a tank.

It's on my to-do list, but when a friend invites me to something, I'm not about to rush out and spend hours getting BLU set up just so some random person on a forum doesn't think I'm a leecher, lol. And frankly, we had enough firepower as it was - even with someone who was new and bad at BLU (she learned a lot by the end though! Which was nice to see, seemed super excited about the job after). No one had an issue with it either, so even if it was redundant having one in there as Milkie said above, I genuinely don't think it matters nearly as much as you're trying to make it out to.

I'd have to see the actual chat to comment on this, but I agree. Malding and ditching isn't the best way to go. Still, it sounds like there were other issues. If the other 6 BLU's weren't using Missile, you should -never- have a reason to use White Wind in these fights. The damage shouldn't exist in a proper speedrun group, but as you said - they were playing a bit sloppy. And that happens sometimes.

I haven't played BLU yet so I honestly can't comment on the skill stuff. Everyone except one newbie BLU had missile, but I think someone was trying to use L5 Death on the first Node? And it missed. Everyone tended to pile on the door so by the time people noticed it wasn't dead, it was on top of us and doing an AoE. I had aggro on it and tried to move it away, but I guess everyone was tired or forgot to heal since it did another AoE that the dude didn't move out of, which killed him. He was silent the whole time up until ADS wiped us, at which point he got passive aggressive and dropped instantly.

Wasn't the first time we had some slip-ups during the hour and a half we were in there, so that reaction was just really unnecessary and pointless to us. But everyone had a good time otherwise, at least. Still more efficient than PVP!

Honestly tanks arent necessary at ALL for t2 spam runs - That "2%" is avoided by just having another BLU. It goes faster as well. Longest T2 run I've done was 52 seconds, typical T2 run for me is 39 seconds with 8 BLUs. You may not be leeching but you're essentially redundant. I mean no harm by that, btw, it's just kinda how it is.

No harm taken. Normally I wouldn't have joined them since I don't have BLU leveled, but friend invited me and I've been seeing a lot of 1 tank 7 BLU parties on Crystal anyway. We were still doing about 50~ second runs, a minute at most if someone's RNG was bad or people were lagging behind a bit. Nothing anyone complained about, that's for sure. Even had time for fun conversation in between, which was nice.

[Gararr]

Imagine me not having BLU leveled and getting invited to run it on tank by my BLU friend, who stated that it was easier than finding a BLU who could lick a tank.

It's on my to-do list, but when a friend invites me to something, I'm not about to rush out and spend hours getting BLU set up just so some random person on a forum doesn't think I'm a leecher, lol. And frankly, we had enough firepower as it was - even with someone who was new and bad at BLU (she learned a lot by the end though! Which was nice to see, seemed super excited about the job after). No one had an issue with it either, so even if it was redundant having one in there as Milkie said above, I genuinely don't think it matters nearly as much as you're trying to make it out to.

Honestly you're too defensive about this. It's a case where if the other 7 are fine with a leech, who bloody cares? Call a spade a spade and be done with it.

I don't think -either- of us need to be butting heads on this one. XD My appologies if the term leech comes off as offensive, I don't mean it in a negative aspect. Just that there's really no good term for 'Random 8th member who doesn't really contribute anything but hell, why not? It can be done with 7."