Living Dead Is a Problem. should be removed or reworked.

[shao32]

still conserted magic damage btw or unexpected damage be correct

The type of damage they do is irrelevant, they are only 3 types of skills in this game:

- Weaponskills: GCD skills that are affected by the skill speed stat
- Spells: GCD skills that are affected by spell speed stat
- Abilitys: skills that arent affected by the GCD

so it's doesnt matter how you wanna call one skill or another, a spell is a GCD skill that works with spell speed and the only categorized skills as spells on DRK are Unmend, Unleash and Stalwart soul so i recomend you use the oficial terminology to expres your ideas better and avoid unnecesary discussions like this one.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Edge of Darkness <-

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 350.

Carve and Spit < -

Delivers a threefold attack with a potency of 450.

one is physical attack the other is magical one yes both are abilities one of them actually cost mp. dark knight evolves around mp. rotation the invur i made makes it to were dark knight is reward max mp if the healer can heal them up to 100% before shield pops off . granting them damage increase to mp cost ability up 3 stacks thats 3 abiltiies

10k mana thats 3 uses of those spells.

Damage type isnt the same as action type.

DRK Souleater is a physical Weaponskill.
RDM Enchanted Zwerchau is an unaspected (magic damage) Weaponskill.
Weaponskills aren't always physical.

DRK Unmend is an unaspected Spell.
BLU Drill Cannon is a physical Spell.
Spells aren't always unaspected.

DRK Carve and Spit is a physical Ability.
DRK Abyssal Drain is an unaspected Ability.
Abilities aren't weaponskills or spells, regardless of damage type.

DRK Edge of Shadow is an unaspected Ability that costs MP.
BLU J Kick is a physical ability that costs MP.
MP cost doesnt define a spell.

Please relearn your terminology, it is actually embarassing how wrong you were.

That said up to 3x 10.000MP is an absolute lot. Under ideal circumstances, thats ten Edge of Shadow, amounting 5000 potency in a 10-12min fight. So saying "just a few" severely undersells how busted 30.000MP is.

Not like tying any damage to defensives is a good idea since it will encourage you to use it for damage rather than actually useful situations. WAR's Vengeance is already stretching it.

[Tribezer0]

Damage type isnt the same as action type.

DRK Souleater is a physical Weaponskill.
RDM Enchanted Zwerchau is an unaspected (magic damage) Weaponskill.
Weaponskills aren't always physical.

DRK Unmend is an unaspected Spell.
BLU Drill Cannon is a physical Spell.
Spells aren't always unaspected.

DRK Carve and Spit is a physical Ability.
DRK Abyssal Drain is an unaspected Ability.
Abilities aren't weaponskills or spells, regardless of damage type.

DRK Edge of Shadow is an unaspected Ability that costs MP.
BLU J Kick is a physical ability that costs MP.
MP cost doesnt define a spell.

Please relearn your terminology, it is actually embarassing how wrong you were.

That said up to 3x 10.000MP is an absolute lot. Under ideal circumstances, thats ten Edge of Shadow, amounting 5000 potency in a 10-12min fight. So saying "just a few" severely undersells how busted 30.000MP is.

Not like tying any damage to defensives is a good idea since it will encourage you to use it for damage rather than actually useful situations. WAR's Vengeance is already stretching it.

You just won this thread. *tips hat*

[OdinelStarrei]

Damage type isnt the same as action type.

DRK Souleater is a physical Weaponskill.
RDM Enchanted Zwerchau is an unaspected (magic damage) Weaponskill.
Weaponskills aren't always physical.

DRK Unmend is an unaspected Spell.
BLU Drill Cannon is a physical Spell.
Spells aren't always unaspected.

DRK Carve and Spit is a physical Ability.
DRK Abyssal Drain is an unaspected Ability.
Abilities aren't weaponskills or spells, regardless of damage type.

DRK Edge of Shadow is an unaspected Ability that costs MP.
BLU J Kick is a physical ability that costs MP.
MP cost doesnt define a spell.

Please relearn your terminology, it is actually embarassing how wrong you were.

That said up to 3x 10.000MP is an absolute lot. Under ideal circumstances, thats ten Edge of Shadow, amounting 5000 potency in a 10-12min fight. So saying "just a few" severely undersells how busted 30.000MP is.

Not like tying any damage to defensives is a good idea since it will encourage you to use it for damage rather than actually useful situations. WAR's Vengeance is already stretching it.

Dang, this is pretty much verbatim what I was going to write, maybe with some pictures, and you even went out of your way to use BLU, that's ideal, a perfect example of how skills are ordered in this game.

A small correction, due to Darkside, it's closer to 5500 potency before any buffs, which is insane, and if you spread it to augmenting abilities and not "spells", you'd probably to have to use it with Living Shadow, a skill that already comprises a little under 10% of DRK damage, despite being a 2 min CD. A 10% increase on what is essentially a 2500 potency DRK DoT after the cursed STR scaling thing on Esteem, would be even more damage. At that point, you're entering Kaiten'd Midare + Tsubame'd Midare level damage, on an oGCD, pure insanity. With something like that, and instant MP steroids, wouldn't surprise me if a well-played DRK would start to do more personal damage than a Dancer, nevermind the current top Tank DPS dog, Gunbreaker, which is bad for tank balance. Shout out to SB Delirium for being an MP steroid that functioned like similarly by jacking up MP acquisition, and SE buried it.

People are already mad about TBN being DPS neutral/ADPS minor loss accounting for buffs, Vengeance in it's current state is unorthodox, tying invulns to damage is incomprehensibly misguided with the history of this game. (Looking at you, Alexander Slaying Accessories in Stormblood progression environments.) If I can sacrifice a defensive cooldown for more potency in raid buffs, I'd be stupid not to jump on that chance, regardless of how it affects the fight, or the party.

...you need learn your job. before you start insulting people.


Dark Knights mains need an apology. do not even pretend you are own simply cause played job once or got it 80 never played it again. heaven on high is a thing sadly

what do you do really? pretend to know something bout dark knight and you don't you. but you don't know single thing about there lore. or background or how to pull out the max you can do. if want pull out that i only have level70 and you have higher one be my guest. see how fair that get you.

Hold on, let me move my Shadowbringers Dark Knight statue from the CE aside and pull out the encyclopedia and art books I purchased simply for more concept art and lore regarding DRK. I just told you to stop filling the forums with one-off topics, and I'm not even the only one. You don't have to listen, do what you like, even if it amounts to spamming. It is crazy entertaining seeing ideas like this thrown around as thought experiments, but they should make sense on a fundamental level. If you don't like your ideas getting dragged through a spike pit, either make them ironclad, or don't post them.

I'm glad I read that response saying that I don't know what I'm talking about before tonight in particular, since after long sessions of optimization and determination dealing with this job's unique nonsense, I cleared TEA for the first time on DRK today.





I'm not the best, even some of the people here can run rings around me I'm sure. But I know a thing or two.

And I certainly know enough to say, you fundamentally do not understand how this job operates. Stop throwing stones in your glass house. Feel free to look me up. I'm decent, probably (not that it makes what I'm saying any more or less credible).

Dark Knight is cursed right now. It's viable, playable, but cursed. And the last thing it needs are people making up issues and solutions out of thin air with no thought or cohesion, because that's how we got a lot of good and sensible things about this job ripped out of it with muddled feedback, and white noise.

[Shin96]

Don't pay attention to this troll. I wish there was a way people with more sincere credibility could create threads; at least it would ensure we don't have a spread of false information going around.

[Cabalabob]

I’d also like to add to all of the above that DRK’s “MP” is actually considered it’s pool of darkness, not magic points. In Heavensward when DRK had different mechanics it had to maintain darkside which would slowly drain their MP meter and the only way to recover it was syphon strike and carve and spit, any other form of mp recovery like refresh from BRD/MCH had no effect on DRK to specifically denote that what they were using was NOT magic.

[Sparkweh]

...you need learn your job. before you start insulting people.


Dark Knights mains need an apology. do not even pretend you are own simply cause played job once or got it 80 never played it again. heaven on high is a thing sadly

what do you do really? pretend to know something bout dark knight and you don't you. but you don't know single thing about there lore. or background or how to pull out the max you can do. if want pull out that i only have level70 and you have higher one be my guest. see how fair that get you.

Sorry, I can’t hear you over my triple legend, and the fact that you haven’t bothered leveling up most jobs to 80 at this point. Please go touch grass.

[MellowMink]

Yes they do use spells. what do you think salted earth is, abyss drain. flood of darkness. edge of darkness.

Salted Earth and Abyssal Drain are both currently classified as abilities, not spells.

you need learn your job. before you start insulting people.

With all due respect, you should take your own advice here, or better yet just not insult people period. There are multiple passive-aggressive comments or direct insults from you in this thread, and this isn't the only thread that this has happened in either. Please read through the terms of service again, because multiple people (including myself) are starting to get uncomfortable with the thread spam and hostile comments.

If dont know what tanking job your playing clearly not dark knight.

This is also needlessly rude and not really called for.

this forum has policies you know what your doing borderline harness.

You can report people for a number of reasons; two of them are harassment and spam, both of which have happened in your numerous amounts of threads lately.

do not even pretend you are own simply cause played job once or got it 80 never played it again. heaven on high is a thing sadly

I don't know what this means; can you please rephrase it?

I pay my sub like everyone else. and gonna post what I like.

The rest of us pay a sub too; that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to disagree, and it especially doesn't give someone the right to break terms of use via spam and harassment.

Please try to consolidate your ideas into less threads, possibly even starting a mega-thread that you add new posts to or edit the original post on; I know you have a lot of them, and that alone is fine, but they could be better organized going forward. But more than the spam and misleading leaks that were posted in the past, at this point I'm more concerned with the harassment that I'm starting to repeatedly see.

On a slightly different note, thank you very much to any moderators who read this thread or handle reports in general. I appreciate the work that you all continue to put into the game and its related websites, and I'm extremely thankful for any responses or oversight; I know it can be stressful as well, so I really respect the amount of time that goes into things like forum management.

[Berrial]

I'd like it if they made walking dead grant true invulnerability when triggered. That way healers don't end up wasting resources and can clearly see how much hp left is needed to remove living dead status.

That way it can be compared to superbolide, having less CD, but needs more coordination to pull off and potentially has less duration (due to status being removed at 100% heal).

[SaberMaxwell]

Came here to congratulate OdinelStarrel for their TEA clear always glad to see people climb that mountain.

Also hi again OP. Are you enjoying being a living strawman? How exactly do you take a well-accepted opinion (living dead needs a change) and end up with so much opposition? You are quite fascinating I have to say.