Mr Happy Interview with Yoshida: Glare Mages

[CrimsonGunner]

like skill floor yeah. Whm can def be low skill floor but high skill celling job.

exactly

[Semirhage]

Something that's also quite peculiar is that while Chain Stratagem makes sense thematically, why on earth did they add a powerful DPS utility OGCD onto the healer that's already designed to be the most aggressive? Like yeah, they would rather burn the game and everyone in it than give DPS utility to WHM, but purely from a design standpoint, it would be way more fitting to give that to a healer that's supposed to be more heal intensive and doesn't have many OGCD heals to fall back on.

I think there is something to be said about Afflatus Misery's potential, but they're not taking advantage of that at all. With the right lily actions, you could totally have WHM tone down on forefront aggression in favor of spinning huge bursts of AM damage through healing.

Back to SCH, though, I really wish they never gave SCH Chain Stratagem because now they really can't take it away unless they actually do rebuild the job from the group up.

Exactly. I always found it really odd that they seem to really get this when it comes to caster DPS, but when they get to designing healers it's just random BS thrown wherever. Oh, SCH is the healer based on a DPS class? So that means it's the highest personal damage healer right? Which would make it the lowest damage util...oh nevermind it had haste and a crit buff. WHM is the thematic "passive" healer, so it has a bunch of buffs right? Uh, guess not. Okay, I get that you've made...a choice here with personal damage vs raid buffs. So WHM has the most oGCD heals to keep that even more crucial personal damage uptime righ...oh. No that's AST. Which is also the most buff-heavy healer. Eeeehhhh? Head scratching.

Healers have a hoarder pile of really confusing design decisions that make their identities an incoherent mess. Their stated identities aren't reflected in their kits, those kits don't have the internal synergy that supports the identities they *do* have, and they're all balanced around the lowest common denominator because they've identified one of them as both the simplest, and the most powerful (as far as damage output goes). Anyone who says healers in this game are well-designed is like speaking an alien language to me.

[ty_taurus]

Exactly. I always found it really odd that they seem to really get this when it comes to caster DPS, but when they get to designing healers it's just random BS thrown wherever. Oh, SCH is the healer based on a DPS class? So that means it's the highest personal damage healer right? Which would make it the lowest damage util...oh nevermind it had haste and a crit buff. WHM is the thematic "passive" healer, so it has a bunch of buffs right? Uh, guess not. Okay, I get that you've made...a choice here with personal damage vs raid buffs. So WHM has the most oGCD heals to keep that even more crucial personal damage uptime righ...oh. No that's AST. Which is also the most buff-heavy healer. Eeeehhhh? Head scratching.

Healers have a hoarder pile of really confusing design decisions that make their identities an incoherent mess. Their stated identities aren't reflected in their kits, those kits don't have the internal synergy that supports the identities they *do* have, and they're all balanced around the lowest common denominator because they've identified one of them as both the simplest, and the most powerful (as far as damage output goes). Anyone who says healers in this game are well-designed is like speaking an alien language to me.

It all comes down to just a lack of healing experience really. If they had just 1 designer that understood healing and that the team turned to for healing design, we would be in such a better position, and I'd be willing to bet healing would be better for everyone from the most casual of players to the more experienced players if they hired someone for that.

[Nizzi]

Something that's also quite peculiar is that while Chain Stratagem makes sense thematically, why on earth did they add a powerful DPS utility OGCD onto the healer that's already designed to be the most aggressive? Like yeah, they would rather burn the game and everyone in it than give DPS utility to WHM, but purely from a design standpoint, it would be way more fitting to give that to a healer that's supposed to be more heal intensive and doesn't have many OGCD heals to fall back on.

I think there is something to be said about Afflatus Misery's potential, but they're not taking advantage of that at all. With the right lily actions, you could totally have WHM tone down on forefront aggression in favor of spinning huge bursts of AM damage through healing.

Back to SCH, though, I really wish they never gave SCH Chain Stratagem because now they really can't take it away unless they actually do rebuild the job from the group up.

Honestly I really don't get why Scholar is retaining Chain Stratagem, especially with the "split" between shield and regen healers coming in Endwalker. With AST as a regen healer with incredibly powerful oGCD heals, why would you want to take WHM over it? AST offers buffs to the party and is able to heal well, and "healing well" is WHM's thing, right? So if we're playing by the designation that the developers are now saying they're designing by, wouldn't it make more sense for WHM to get party buffs to compensate for this too if WHM's only utility DPS wise is that it does "high DPS"?

And if we go look at the new "shield healer" group, there's Scholar, and then there's Sage. Scholar has Chain Strat, which is a crit buff that will be up every other window because of it's 120s cooldown. Sage? It has high personal DPS. Awesome - but the problem here is that raid buffs are incredibly good, and unless SGE has incredible DPS that makes it a better pick than Scholar, why would you take it over the Chain Strat bot? It's possible this could be the case, but honestly I don't see it happening because the one point where WHM was "meta" over SCH and people were taking in AST+WHM, SE quickly buffed Bio and Broil to correct that (even if it did also include an Energy Drain nerf).

So really, when you have two healers that are in different groups that they're trying to create that are able to buff in raid windows, and then you have two healers that are in different groups that can't contribute anything in those windows other than "they hit the 1 button real good", why wouldn't you still just bring in AST+SCH? I know we'll have to wait until Endwalker to see, but I honestly don't see the "meta" changing at all.

[ty_taurus]

Honestly I really don't get why Scholar is retaining Chain Stratagem, especially with the "split" between shield and regen healers coming in Endwalker. With AST as a regen healer with incredibly powerful oGCD heals, why would you want to take WHM over it? AST offers buffs to the party and is able to heal well, and "healing well" is WHM's thing, right? So if we're playing by the designation that the developers are now saying they're designing by, wouldn't it make more sense for WHM to get party buffs to compensate for this too if WHM's only utility DPS wise is that it does "high DPS"?

And if we go look at the new "shield healer" group, there's Scholar, and then there's Sage. Scholar has Chain Strat, which is a crit buff that will be up every other window because of it's 120s cooldown. Sage? It has high personal DPS. Awesome - but the problem here is that raid buffs are incredibly good, and unless SGE has incredible DPS that makes it a better pick than Scholar, why would you take it over the Chain Strat bot? It's possible this could be the case, but honestly I don't see it happening because the one point where WHM was "meta" over SCH and people were taking in AST+WHM, SE quickly buffed Bio and Broil to correct that (even if it did also include an Energy Drain nerf).

So really, when you have two healers that are in different groups that they're trying to create that are able to buff in raid windows, and then you have two healers that are in different groups that can't contribute anything in those windows other than "they hit the 1 button real good", why wouldn't you still just bring in AST+SCH? I know we'll have to wait until Endwalker to see, but I honestly don't see the "meta" changing at all.

On the topic of Pure and Barrier healers, I'm very skeptical that this duality aspect is going to stick. As it stands, the main difference between Pure and Barrier healers is incredibly minor. I can see a very specific and niche value to barrier healers specifically, having access to GCD barriers that can help with savage prog, but I see no benefit actually associated with the Pure healer category that they've established. What do WHM and AST bring to the table that isn't job specific that SCH and SGE don't have? AST continues to have some very powerful tools of course, but really it's WHM that I'm worried about.

While I foresee an explosion of SGE/AST combos for the first tier of challenging content, I also feel like SCH/AST, SGE/SCH, SGE/SGE, SCH/SCH, and AST/AST all offer more than any combination that includes WHM. AST/AST even has neutral sect on two healers who could plan them out to help cover for that AoE barrier need pretty effectively. What does WHM have? An egregious amount of overhealing?

[ItMe]

Honestly I really don't get why Scholar is retaining Chain Stratagem, especially with the "split" between shield and regen healers coming in Endwalker. With AST as a regen healer with incredibly powerful oGCD heals, why would you want to take WHM over it? AST offers buffs to the party and is able to heal well, and "healing well" is WHM's thing, right? So if we're playing by the designation that the developers are now saying they're designing by, wouldn't it make more sense for WHM to get party buffs to compensate for this too if WHM's only utility DPS wise is that it does "high DPS"?

Honestly, I thought it was strange too until someone in my FC pointed out how it's split:

2 pure healers
1 has rDPS buffs (AST)
1 does not (WHM)

2 shield healers
1 has rDPS buffs (SCH)
1 does not (SGE).

So regardless of if you prefer shield or pure healing you have the option of if you wanna engage with rDPS buffs or not. And... I can kinda get behind that.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

On the topic of Pure and Barrier healers, I'm very skeptical that this duality aspect is going to stick. As it stands, the main difference between Pure and Barrier healers is incredibly minor. I can see a very specific and niche value to barrier healers specifically, having access to GCD barriers that can help with savage prog, but I see no benefit actually associated with the Pure healer category that they've established. What do WHM and AST bring to the table that isn't job specific that SCH and SGE don't have? AST continues to have some very powerful tools of course, but really it's WHM that I'm worried about.

While I foresee an explosion of SGE/AST combos for the first tier of challenging content, I also feel like SCH/AST, SGE/SCH, SGE/SGE, SCH/SCH, and AST/AST all offer more than any combination that includes WHM. AST/AST even has neutral sect on two healers who could plan them out to help cover for that AoE barrier need pretty effectively. What does WHM have? An egregious amount of overhealing?

WHM is broken that's what. I think WHM is the most broken healer until sch is like level 70-80. And even then I think WHM is very disgusting and might be the better healer in 6.0, and that's coming from a devoted sch main.

[GrimGale]

WHM is broken that's what. I think WHM is the most broken healer until sch is like level 70-80. And even then I think WHM is very disgusting and might be the better healer in 6.0, and that's coming from a devoted sch main.

Any argument to back that up? Or is it just bait, again?

[ty_taurus]

Honestly, I thought it was strange too until someone in my FC pointed out how it's split:

2 pure healers
1 has rDPS buffs (AST)
1 does not (WHM)

2 shield healers
1 has rDPS buffs (SCH)
1 does not (SGE).

So regardless of if you prefer shield or pure healing you have the option of if you wanna engage with rDPS buffs or not. And... I can kinda get behind that.

If you want to play a more supportive healer that buffs the party, I can't really think of a reason I'd want to recommend SCH though. As mentioned, the shear volume of OGCD healing it offers on such short cooldowns alongside the faerie give it a much longer duration of DPS uptime over AST and especially WHM who's forced into GCD healing twice as fast as AST.

[ty_taurus]

Any argument to back that up? Or is it just bait, again?

Isn't it always bait?