Do You Think FF XIV Will Start Getting The Hate WoW Gets Because of The Cash Shop?

[Lanadra]

So, even though the OP's noped out, I have a general idea of what's being asked so I'll toss in my two cents..

No, FFXIV won't get the kind of hate WoW gets for it's store, in part because people will generally not be that vicious about it if they feel that store aside their game is doing well. People may not like that SE sold Cruise Chaser, but generally they will grumble for a bit and move on because overall FFXIV is doing really well to deliver on just about everything. Generally people in this game are satisfied, thus they're willing to leave something like a Cruiser Chaser mount go with only a bit of token complaining. Also helps that as others have stated, everything sold in the Mogstation goes back into the games budget.. meaning that ultimately it still helps the game, still benefits us.

WoW sucks, it's current state sucks, no one but the most delusional fanboys are going to dispute that. This means that every negative thing that people would take issue with.. becomes amplified. People in WoW, especially in classic, would /spit store mounts because the game's state is shit and nothing they sell in the store helps to change that, it just lines executive pockets. WoW's store and especially WoW tokens are nothing but greedy cash grabs that do nothing to actually improve WoW as a game. Let's also not forget that particularly in classic people get tilted over it because a lot of the stuff they're doing now in monetization terms, wasn't there in the original run of those expansions.

Simply put, it's about more than just 'cash shop bad', it's a lot to do with overall customer satisfaction, the good will that the company running the game has (or lack thereof) and the general state of the game.

Let's go with a short food analogy: If you get an order of frites with sauce and a hamburger from your local snackbar, are you really going to raise a stink over a missing packet of sauce when everything aside from that mishap was excellent? Not likely, it's a minor inconvenience that doesn't ruin your overall meal, thus likely you'll leave it be, perhaps with a mention of it next time you order there, constructive feedback. Are you going to raise a stink over it if in addition to that your frites were also soggy garbage and to top it all off, they forgot your hamburger. You damn right you would, because while not the main issue, it's just another thing wrong with what you received.

[sauc]

So, even though the OP's noped out, I have a general idea of what's being asked so I'll toss in my two cents..

No, FFXIV won't get the kind of hate WoW gets for it's store, in part because people will generally not be that vicious about it if they feel that store aside their game is doing well. People may not like that SE sold Cruise Chaser, but generally they will grumble for a bit and move on because overall FFXIV is doing really well to deliver on just about everything. Generally people in this game are satisfied, thus they're willing to leave something like a Cruiser Chaser mount go with only a bit of token complaining. Also helps that as others have stated, everything sold in the Mogstation goes back into the games budget.. meaning that ultimately it still helps the game, still benefits us.

WoW sucks, it's current state sucks, no one but the most delusional fanboys are going to dispute that. This means that every negative thing that people would take issue with.. becomes amplified. People in WoW, especially in classic, would /spit store mounts because the game's state is shit and nothing they sell in the store helps to change that, it just lines executive pockets. WoW's store and especially WoW tokens are nothing but greedy cash grabs that do nothing to actually improve WoW as a game. Let's also not forget that particularly in classic people get tilted over it because a lot of the stuff they're doing now in monetization terms, wasn't there in the original run of those expansions.

Simply put, it's about more than just 'cash shop bad', it's a lot to do with overall customer satisfaction, the good will that the company running the game has (or lack thereof) and the general state of the game.

Let's go with a short food analogy: If you get an order of frites with sauce and a hamburger from your local snackbar, are you really going to raise a stink over a missing packet of sauce when everything aside from that mishap was excellent? Not likely, it's a minor inconvenience that doesn't ruin your overall meal, thus likely you'll leave it be, perhaps with a mention of it next time you order there, constructive feedback. Are you going to raise a stink over it if in addition to that your frites were also soggy garbage and to top it all off, they forgot your hamburger. You damn right you would, because while not the main issue, it's just another thing wrong with what you received.

You act like their players are this way only recently. The first thing they added was the hearthsteed mount for playing one 3 min game of hearthstone (a f2p game that takes 2 sec to download) back during wotlk aka the peak of wow and people were pissed about it back then too. Literally nothing on the shop has ever been well received over there regardless of how well the game is doing. I don't envy blizzard at all trying to please their players.

[Kyuuen]

There's alot of unique mounts in wow is what I mean. People act like it's 500 horses and wolves with different colors and all the cool stuff is on the store. Mimiron's head isn't on the store, neither is the engineer motorcycle and helicopter or the tree that changes color depending on what irl season it is or the love rocket or the 5 seater hivemind... You could make a big list and xiv is not innocent at making cheap mount recolors. Both wow and xiv have a ton of cheap reskins and keep the cool stuff in stores with a sprinkle of nice mounts from in game rewards every now and then.

Yes, but like I said nearly 20 years of operation in which mounts have been part of WoW vs the 8 almost 9 years that XIV has had mounts. Most of XIV's unique mounts tend to come from it's raids, achievements, and at times PvP. Naturally WoW will have more unique mounts simply for existing longer. And to be fair, there are A LOT of reskinned mounts in WoW. Undead horse, Human horses, Kodo's, Hawkstrider variants, Griffins, and Wyverns just to name a few. Both games are guilty of it no argument, for instance Primal ponies, birds, doggos, and Gwibbers.

Like you said those aren't rmt bans. Those are for things like the level 1 bots spamming their shady website in town. They could ban a million and it doesn't matter if there's no preventive measures whatsoever and even then that just slows them down a bit. A bot will just make a new account and go park itself back in limsa after the 2 min intro. They'll never be able to ban rmt cause they'll just advertise themselves in pf with something like $UCOB$ followed by a discord without every actually using the word sale. So unless they want to pay people to be undercover gms 24 hours a day 7 days a week to catch them it's here to stay.

No.. those are literally bans for RMT. Taken from one of the links provided:

Real money trading (RMT) and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.

Because we have confirmed the existence of players who are engaging in these illicit activities, we have taken the actions listed below.

Time Period: Oct. 14, 2021 to Oct. 20, 2021

・Participation in RMT/prohibited activities
　・Accounts terminated: 4,129

・Botting activity (excluding RMT vendors)
　・Accounts temporarily suspended: 1
*Botting activity by RMT vendors has been included under "Participation in RMT/prohibited activities."

・RMT advertising
　・Accounts terminated: 1,645

Take note of the differentiation of RMT activities and what you claimed to be just for advert. bots, which has its own entry at the bottom. 1,645 advert. bots and 4,129 accounts which includes buyers and sellers.

And what's with this goal post shift? You went from 'they do nothing' to 'they don't do enough' pretty quick there. When you have a more feasible solution to combating RMT be sure to let every MMO in existence know, they'd love to hear from you.

To the aspect of RMT involving paid carries. As stated before there's not enough in the ToS that prohibits the behavior that we're seeing with Party Finder hence Yoshi-P recent acknowledgement of that fact and it requiring some additions before they can act accordingly. Only then will we see them handing out vacations and permanent vacations to those that would abuse the Party Finder for RMT purposes.

Yoshi said it goes back into the game, but he also said houses will never auto-demo. Doesn't matter if he really is telling the truth as things change. I also find it hard to believe they'd have sacrificed the entire revenue of EU if there was no mogstation. wow had na eu and asia servers before in game stores were a thing. If mogstation truly is running the game then they must be siphoning the hell out of subs and game sales for other projects.

When did he make the claim that houses would never be auto-demolished? Not saying he didn't, but I don't remember it.

And yes, for a time it has been known that they were siphoning income from the XIV sub. Quite literally old news. For instance do you honestly believe every cent from WoW's sub went back into WoW? Or do you think it was used to prop up other projects?

I just find it funny when I watch both games do the exact same thing and one gets continuously bashed for it while the other doesn't. If blizzard made holiday mounts only to take them away and sell them on the store 1 year later we all know you'd never hear the end of it and asmon, bellular, preach and all that would make a million videos about how trash blizzard is.

I think you're a bit off the mark for it here. There would be some push back certainly, but no more than what XIV occasionally gets for it on the forums. The problem with Blizzards model is that there's only one model for their sales. And that's straight into the online store. Whereas XIV presents an opportunity to get it in game before it goes to the mogstation. Granted there are exceptions where a mount goes straight into the mogstation like Cruise Chaser, Chocobo Carriage, or the Whale Mount.

Also I'd argue that there's something a bit more predatory in Blizzards marketing, especially when the online store is literally a button click away while in game, whereas XIV's store is a little more out of the way.

Then there's also the state of the game and their perpetual habit of pushing 6 month subs with a mount attached to it. It's just not a good look imho.

[Poporito_Popoto]

You act like their players are this way only recently. The first thing they added was the hearthsteed mount for playing one 3 min game of hearthstone (a f2p game that takes 2 sec to download) back during wotlk aka the peak of wow and people were pissed about it back then too. Literally nothing on the shop has ever been well received over there regardless of how well the game is doing. I don't envy blizzard at all trying to please their players.

Hearthstone came out in 2014, so end of Mists/beginning of Warlords. I got it, and didn't have a problem with it. The complaints I saw at the time were that the cash shop mounts always had the better looking mounts than ones that could be earned in-game.

[sauc]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...50#post1500050

''In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.''

And what's the problem with mounts attached to 6 month subs? You can buy them individually instead if you want but you get it for free if you were going to 6 month sub anyway. The games launcher also advertises new mogstation items and it's a click away there too.

Wow flat out doesn't make seasonal mounts but I'm saying if they did and took them away only to sell them a year later there would be infinite backlash and this is no secret.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...tm_term=jf9rvt This is the only transmog they have on their shop and look at the comments from their own subreddit. There's a ton of non-event glamours that you can't get any other way on xiv store and they don't get 1322 comment threads about how greedy they are with the post upvoted full of awards. And don't look at their official forums good god. I feel wow is loaded with people from 90s mmos still so they literally won't accept anything but sub monetization. You can also buy anything in the store with in game gold too by the way.

As for the rmt I'm saying they are not banning people who buy things like ultimate clears and a tos update won't change that, they'd have to hire gms to catch people in the act on discord otherwise there's no way to prove some paypal transaction happened. And we know they aren't going to do that.

[sauc]

Hearthstone came out in 2014, so end of Mists/beginning of Warlords. I got it, and didn't have a problem with it. The complaints I saw at the time were that the cash shop mounts always had the better looking mounts than ones that could be earned in-game.

yeah sorry I meant celestial steed and got names mixed up. Still it was all doom and gloom and a sign of ''things to come'' back then and that was in 2010 wotlk

[StriderShinryu]

Outside of the in store content (that has it's opponents and defenders), the biggest thing to me is that the store for FF14 isn't even in the game. Outside of the occasional ad you may see on the launcher, it's perfectly conceivable that someone who plays FF14 might not even know there is a cash shop at all. Heck, YoshiP actually said in the recent media tour that the reason they don't want to put a full minion/mount collection panel in the game is because it will, in a sense, act as an advertisement for having to buy content in various ways outside of the game itself.

[Lihtleita]

Hearthstone is amazing, by the way.
It's pretty sad that someone is mad just because they get a cool mount for playing a fun game... which is entirely free. Yeah, you can buy card packs but you can also win with just the standard cards, I don't even change my deck yet and still win. I did unlock quite a few cards already, though, and the gold amount you get for card packs is pretty generous.

if you closed your own thread why are you still replying

[Poporito_Popoto]

if you closed your own thread why are you still replying

Everyone knows why.

[Doru_Nintendan]

if you closed your own thread why are you still replying

Because ChocoPuni "likes to come back to make jokes or be toxic." Their words from another thread they made. I would put it in a quote bubble, but they deleted the reply due to "eh, whatever", "sneakyyy", "aschoo!", or whatever cringy excuse they put in to sound cute.